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Complex 9.1.17 Electron
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blablakin 8 Aug, 2015 @ 8:24pm
Complex 9.1 AI Waves
Soo iv been playing this mod for a few days and its been a blast. But the AI waves is exstreamly hard. I can only make it to wave 4-5 both races, before i get completly over whelmed by 3 destroyers 17 bombers and 7 artillery frigates, **sigh** every time. I have done everything i can to level up my fleet but no matter what i do i cant get my fleet up to par by wave 4-5. When i finnaly get my frigates its already wave 4 and i cant pump them out fast enough plus fight off the wave within the means of the unit cap. Wave 4 mostly always goes as such. They send a wave of Corvets and frigates with bombers. The bombers and frigates rush strait through my defenses and attack my resources, I can never kill the bombers fast enough. If im lucky i may have a few collectors left over. the covets usually completly destroy my assault craft. Im usually left with the mother ship, 3 resource collectors, and 1 flak frigate. Thats if im lucky. Now the next wave is 3 destoryers 17 bombers and 7 artillery frigates. There is no way im going to survive that. I still have to rebuild my fleet and even then i can only build frigates. Wave 5 is just a massacre, the bombers take out everything before the destroyers are even in range yet, and the artillery frigates hammer my mothership. There is just no stopping them.


Strategies i have tried:

I placed the mother ship far away from my resources. in the path of the bombers hopeing to agro them since my mothership can handle thier beating.
It fails because they just fly right by it to attack my Recourses.

I have hid the mohtership in the radiationfield if i can get the research.
That leaves my resources completly exspodes and sitting there does me no good since they eventually find me.

I rushed their mothership with my mother ship with as much as i could build.
But when i reach it its wave three and the corvets just destroy me.

Wave one i spam collectors. let the mother ship slowly kill the assault craft.
I am able to get allot of money but my honor and research is still behind to prepare for wave 4-5.

Im doing everything i can and build everything i can but the unit cap keeps me limited. I constanly have no money left from researching and building constantly. The little break between waves isnt enough to replenish my forces. I feel like there is no winning this past wave 5. Im almost at the point where i think this mode is just too broken and unbalanced, yet i dont want to give up on it.

Is anyone else having this much trouble? Or am i just missing something that makes getting honor easier because the little help notes dont seem like its correct about honor. I gain honor building everything fast and destroying ships just as fast as doing absolutly nothing ( i tested this by starting a match and jsut watched the honor points).

If there are handy stategies i would love to know. Or simply telling me the mode is broken is helpful to. I dont think my heart can take watching my mothership exsplode anymore. If i had hair id be pulling it out.

Anyways please and thank you!
Last edited by blablakin; 8 Aug, 2015 @ 8:27pm
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Electron  [developer] 9 Aug, 2015 @ 7:19am 
The mod is not broken. Try build some turrets close to resource collectors so their fighters instead destroing your collectors focus on turrets. Are you building harvest control module and upgrading resources harvesting, droping off and load speed for more resources ?
Research station have RU power up that increase your harvesting and dropping off resources by 350% try to use that. You just need 3000 resoutces and 100 energy for that power up. Its worth since create lots of resources back quickly.
Moore resources you collect = more army of your desire you can build.
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blablakin 9 Aug, 2015 @ 6:05pm 
Yes, i have also tried that but wave 4-5 still put me down like a dog. My most recent strategy that went pretty well was. I built 10 extra collectors and let the mother ship handle the first assault. I built a scavenger placing it behind the mother ship near the collectors with some turrent support (wave 2 managed to not lose anything). Wave 3 i mangaed to pop out a carrier and used that to build as many fighters as i could to take care of the wave of bombers. The result was the bombers destroyied my carrier with jsut two passes and i lost a few turrents, my scavanger managed to survive with barly 10% health left. Wave 4 i was able to get the frigate research and started on that imedietly. The wave started before i could finnish but i managed to have a 10 turrents built and my scavenger was sitting at 50% health plus a 10 fighters. I barly manged to get through that wave losing all my turrents and scavenger, also losing my research ship, power ship, and crew ship, my mother ship survived with minimal dmg i tend to upgrade her very well with health and dmg output. Then Wave 5...she put up a good fight but the end was inevitable.

I use the RU power up every match but the speed of recovery between waves plus leveling up i cant seem to get honor fast enough. The bombers seem to always be my bigest problem nothing seems to kill them fast enough no matter how much flak and assault craft i have focus them. they always manage to do a fair ammount of dmg. Haveing a scavenger, carrier, mothership with a tottal of 8 flak cannons (and however many flak frigates i could build), plus 5-10 turrents and assault craft all focusing bombers seem like they should be able to handle it. I can always ignore the frigates cuz they dont do much dmg compared tot he bombers.

I enjoy this mode very much i dont mind the tech advances between waves since it seems like i can handle 3 destroyers by building bombers of my own. But the bombers are so devestateing especially 17 of them able to soak up allot of dmg plus focus detroy pretty much any ship i have with just 1-2 passes seems like over kill. I have also tried haveing my assult craft wait far out in the path of the bombers so i could chase them and kill them before they reach my defense zone but.....they outran my fighters. Only the scout was able to keep up with them. I found that pretty funny.
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Electron  [developer] 9 Aug, 2015 @ 6:46pm 
They outran your fighters because AI build Drive system and upgrade speed 4 fighters.

Try this if u go for platforms:
make sure u make good resources
put to build 25 gun platforms they can handle army of fighters
on mothership build fire system and defence system
start upgrading platforms firepower and health
build 15-20 missile platforms
upgrade mothership firepower and health
build sentinell and onon

Try this if u go for fighters:
make sure u make good resources
put to build 10-15 best fighters u can get
put on mothership auto-docking
on mothership build fire system, defence system and drive system
start upgrading fighters firepower, health, and speed
build 10-15 best bombers u can get
upgrade mothership firepower and health
build better fighters and ononon

that work fine 4 me every time, try your self
AI start just like u from the same point so the fight is even
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Electron  [developer] 9 Aug, 2015 @ 6:48pm 
Sweeper destroyer is good anty fighters ship.
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blablakin 9 Aug, 2015 @ 9:30pm 
So i was able to make it to wave 9! But that was mainly thanks to a minor flaw i found. In wave 1 the 4 fighters usually attack the scout i have. So what i did was get them to follow it and made them chase it all around the map for about 20 min as i prepare and level up. They finnaly destroyied the scout when i was able to build frigates. I had already set up my gunplatforms and carriers. Wave 5 was minor trouble, had the shivs intercept the bombers and they made short work of them. But wave 6....7 destoryes and 9 artillery frigates with 13 multi fighters thank god i had 3 sweppers and and 3 destroyers and jsut poped out my battleship i lost the sweepers and the destoyers for some reason they ignored my battleship. my forces were beat to hell turrents were gone lost quite of few recorce collectors and my light carrier. So i started to replace the turrents and my second battleship just finnished so i tarted to build a weopon platform. Wave 8 was quite a battle more bombers and 9 destroyers with corvets and frigates. I lost everything in that fight besides the weapon platform the mothership and shipyard. got a few collectors and 1 sentinal tried to build a battleship but then wave 9. Wave 9 had 9 cruisers and 13 artillery frigates and 18 multi role fighters. By the mirical that is heavy ion cannons i managed to take out about 80% of thier forces since for some reason my shipyard tanked everything. I pretty much had everything maxed out in the research and the mothership fully upgraded took one hell of a beating before she went down. How someone makes it this far with out the level 1 chase strategy i would love to see.

Next i will build about 4 scouts and have them get chased around the map. Im very curious about jsut how much the later waves have becasue 9 cruisers surprised the hell out of me. But since this method gives me a big chance to prepare for the later stages It felt more balanced between building, recovering, fighting. After losing a majority of my fleet but still able to pop out advanced ships that could actually hold their own for some time felt nice. especially wave 9. I cant wait to be able to get a fortress up to defend with. The few precious minutes you get between waves seems so short and isnt nearly enough time to replace and prepare for the next wave. When the AI destroyied all of my turrents about 20 of them i only managed to replace 12 of them by the the time of the next wave. Not the mention the frigates recource collectors, corvets and destoryers i have to replace. Even then it was nice being able to keep up with their tech advances. Haveing destroyers when they have destroyers was nice and was a pretty even fight.
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