Originally posted by Joshua Norton:

@anarchism in latin-america:
https://libcom.org/history/anarchism-latin-america

http://www.newformulation.org/3morse.htm

a bit much of text but better then the wiki article on it

a very important figure of mexican anarchism was ricardo magón:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardo_Flores_Mag%C3%B3n

and a last link about anarchism in mexico(with a few mentions of anarchism in latin-america)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_Mexico/

Originally posted by Ҝłคцรร:

Well, Anarchy in Latin-America? In case of Brazil, there was an popular anarcho-syndicalist movement during the 1910's, but as the game passes during the WW2 would make no sense to add them.
But from 1920 to 1938 in the brazillian Northeast there was a movement known as the ''Cangaço'', which wasn't not essentially anarchist, but it had a lot in common.
They were a bandit group who fought against the Gentúlio Vargas's legacy and dind't follow any laws. They pillaged and attacked some landowners and distribuited their wealth equally to the poor population (Yes, they were like Robin Hoods) and they gathered a lot of support from the people.
Even if they were not essentially anarchists, they were againt the State and dind't follow laws. They also belivied in the collectivism and equal-distribution of resources to the poor population, fighthing bravely against the poverty and aristocracy.

If you want to add this to game you must first

(1) Just like Catalunia, add a freeable nation named Nordeste Cangaçeiro (of course, give them this name if they are anarchists).
(2) Their sub-ideology desc shall be the anarcho-communist one.
(3) Their anarchist leader shall be Lampião (Virgulino Ferreira da Silva)
(4) In 29 July of 1938 needs to pop-up an event where you can liberate this nation or starte a minor civil war.
(5) They shall claim core in RIO GRANDE and BAHIA.
(6) They already start with the WOMEN'S RIGHTS National-Spirit, since they had presence from a lot of girls, specially the most famous one Maria Bonita.

just for the sake of completion:
"just to add this here because i think this is often misunderstood:
anracho-syndicalism is not anarcho-communism.

just because what you wrote klauss, sounds more like they had more similarities with anarcho-syndicalism then anarcho-communism(like the CNT/FAI in spain)"

In this case, if you're willing to complete, I'll also complete:

'' Well, the cangaçeiros were completely focused on the equal distribution of wealth. They were not paying attention to the syndicates. ''

well, maybe lets get along with the conversation then ;)

what is really intersting to me is, that in latin american social movements, there always seems to be a lot of general anarchist ideas embedded in them, kind of "naturally" and at the same time, those movements also implement a lot of native and cultural traditions and moral codexes

for example the zapatista movement but also the movement against the oil-/mineral industry and the exploitation of natural ressources and that leads to a much more broadly accepted movement while, at the same time, those ideas and ideals are more easily adapted by the society because they are often similar to old cultural morals and moral codexes.

i mean, i would really like to see that kind of affinity to be represented in the mod through events happening, where those ties are obvious in the event texts/representations itself.

Originally posted by Joshua Norton:

well, maybe lets get along with the conversation then ;)

what is really intersting to me is, that in latin american social movements, there always seems to be a lot of general anarchist ideas embedded in them, kind of "naturally" and at the same time, those movements also implement a lot of native and cultural traditions and moral codexes

for example the zapatista movement but also the movement against the oil-/mineral industry and the exploitation of natural ressources and that leads to a much more broadly accepted movement while, at the same time, those ideas and ideals are more easily adapted by the society because they are often similar to old cultural morals and moral codexes.

Wow... I never noticed this point of view but it is indeed true...
Most of those Latin-American Anarchist Movements had the intention of not just abolish the State, but also preserve their tradionalist culture.

Indeed the cangaçeiros also preserved their tradions from the '' Sertão '' as we can see in their uniforms:

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I do not understand why most of those movements did this....
Maybe because Anarchy just work if everyone follow the anarchist principles...
then, they preserved their culture because there will be something that unites everyone and prevents them from ''deserting'' the rebellion...
I cannot explain it properly, I hope you understand.

Originally posted by Ҝłคцรร:

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interesting.

i think this is mostly due to the implementation of western systems and "civilization" was, in almost all cases, brutally forced onto the native population why, at the same time, their own culture was systematically destroyed and banned to break resistance faster and more efficient.

the differences between the cultures(and the differences in morals) then became even more obvious when industrial labor/mechanized industry and general industrialization was forced onto the population by the colonial powers, starting with immense farms and factories or, in a more general definition, industry based on slave labor and worker exploitation.

all of that was done under the guidelines of capitalist principles, which are based on exploitation and oppression as well as competitiveness and the "working against each other, not for one another" mindset of capitalism, which is kind of contrary to a lot of cultural morals from indigenous people in latin america, i assume.
just my personal theory about that.

Originally posted by Joshua Norton:

Originally posted by Ҝłคцรร:

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interesting.

i think this is mostly due to the implementation of western systems and "civilization" was, in almost all cases, brutally forced onto the native population why, at the same time, their own culture was systematically destroyed and banned to break resistance faster and more efficient.

the differences between the cultures(and the differences in morals) then became even more obvious when industrial labor/mechanized industry and general industrialization was forced onto the population by the colonial powers, starting with immense farms and factories or, in a more general definition, industry based on slave labor and worker exploitation.

all of that was done under the guidelines of capitalist principles, which are based on exploitation and oppression as well as competitiveness and the "working against each other, not for one another" mindset of capitalism, which is kind of contrary to a lot of cultural morals from indigenous people in latin america, i assume.
just my personal theory about that.

Indeed this is the most plausible theory for now.
Maybe if the dev is going to improve the anarcho-latin movements he shall add an national spirit about tradionalism itself wich grants maybe national unity or political power.

Originally posted by Ҝłคцรร:

Indeed this is the most plausible theory for now.
Maybe if the dev is going to improve the anarcho-latin movements he shall add an national spirit about tradionalism itself wich grants maybe national unity or political power.

Since Latin American Anarchism was so unique compared to European Anarchism, I want to improve its representation. Improving it is going to be my main focus for the mod over Spring Break.

Originally posted by sudo apt install rekt:

Originally posted by Ҝłคцรร:

Indeed this is the most plausible theory for now.
Maybe if the dev is going to improve the anarcho-latin movements he shall add an national spirit about tradionalism itself wich grants maybe national unity or political power.

Since Latin American Anarchism was so unique compared to European Anarchism, I want to improve its representation. Improving it is going to be my main focus for the mod over Spring Break.

glad to hear that, i'm looking forward towards it :D

Originally posted by Joshua Norton:

glad to hear that, i'm looking forward towards it :D

Probably what's going to happen is the Latin American countries will get a shared unique focus tree based on the generic tree; the politics bit will just be more fleshed out. They will, hopefully, get some events, leaders, and better party names. (Mexico, however, may get a non-shared focus tree based on the generic tree. I don't really know what my plans are right now.)

However, my knowledge of Latin American anarchism is lacking compared to European and American anarchism. So if anyone has ideas on what some ideas should look like or the path the focus trees should take, I'd love to hear it; especially how anarchism related to the indigenous peoples.

I'm taking about specifics ideas, not just links to articles. Maybe something like
Name: "Spirit of the Magonistas"
Desc: "Magonism is an anarcho-communist ideology based on the ideas of Ricardo Flores Magon. The movement was primarily driven by indigenous people seeking to preserve their ancient practices of direct democarcy, communal property, and mutual aid. One of their goals was the liberation of indigenous lands in Baja California."
Effect: Recuritable population factor: +15% & 2 Civilian Factories in Baja California

(While links to articles are helpful, specific ideas are more helpful and are easier to implement.)

Originally posted by sudo apt install rekt:

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sounds good, take your time :)

sadly, my knowledge is also only of a basic nature and on a more general base then specific historic events/facts...at least right now.
and i know more about movements nowadays then historic ones...but if i stumble upon anything, i will work something out and post it here.

Originally posted by sudo apt install rekt:

Originally posted by Joshua Norton:

glad to hear that, i'm looking forward towards it :D

Probably what's going to happen is the Latin American countries will get a shared unique focus tree based on the generic tree; the politics bit will just be more fleshed out. They will, hopefully, get some events, leaders, and better party names. (Mexico, however, may get a non-shared focus tree based on the generic tree. I don't really know what my plans are right now.)

However, my knowledge of Latin American anarchism is lacking compared to European and American anarchism. So if anyone has ideas on what some ideas should look like or the path the focus trees should take, I'd love to hear it; especially how anarchism related to the indigenous peoples.

I'm taking about specifics ideas, not just links to articles. Maybe something like
Name: "Spirit of the Magonistas"
Desc: "Magonism is an anarcho-communist ideology based on the ideas of Ricardo Flores Magon. The movement was primarily driven by indigenous people seeking to preserve their ancient practices of direct democarcy, communal property, and mutual aid. One of their goals was the liberation of indigenous lands in Baja California."
Effect: Recuritable population factor: +15% & 2 Civilian Factories in Baja California

(While links to articles are helpful, specific ideas are more helpful and are easier to implement.)

I really liked the idea, and soon I'll give ideas about the Cangaço's Focus Tree. But first I must learn more information about them before releasing my ideas to the mod. We all want accuaracy, right?

And just remember, when I release the update with the changes to Latin America, changes can still be made to the focus trees and such, so feel free to make suggestions even after the update.