I just wanted to pick this out.

Originally posted by progect savior:

3) in what world is scout the counter for demo?! that's the pyro! serriously, scouts are already road kill for demo with stock, and now your suggeting they're a counter?! i can see if we're talking bonks spacificly, but otherwise i am not seeing any validity here.

Very, VERY simplified counter guide: http://i.imgur.com/UBlfVF9.png

To answer your question more depth, Pyro is a soft counter for the Demo. Scout is a harder counter since they have manueverability to jump over sticky traps and away from pills. You must not be playing against good Scouts if you can roast through them easily with Demo.

Originally posted by Loreknight:

Originally posted by sqwid:

A reminder that the Melee Booster has a maximum damage output on a critical hit of 263 damage. That's pretty insane not counting the fact that Scout's swing speed on melee is extremely high. I'd like to have no random critical hits on this and maybe a damage vulnerability with melee out to make it more of a quick finishing weapon instead of a weapon you charge at foes at and getting a lucky random crit at their faces.

Also I forgot but did we talk about the Jump Action Shotgun in the Discord event?

2 extra nerfs is excessive on a utility item that removes the pistol, requires buildup via primary, and only buffs the damage of the melee, a weapon which forces scout into point blank and to be easily shot

Let's not forget

1. Scout is supposed to be fighting at close range anyway

2. With random critical hits you have a chance to take out a full health Soldier and actually deal more DPS than your normal Scattergun. Also at full damage it makes your melee crit damage even more than a crit with the Scattergun!

3. 300 damage isn't hard to charge up as Scout at all

4. Scout has the best passive agility in the game so he has no trouble getting up into an opponent's face and getting a free kill off them without any effort.

Long story short I feel like this weapon should at least have no random critical hits on your melee so it isn't abused. It should be a finish off weapon to add extra damage when you're out of Scattergun ammo, not something to get a free, undeserved kill with against an enemy.

A reminder that the Melee Booster has a maximum damage output on a critical hit of 263 damage. That's pretty insane not counting the fact that Scout's swing speed on melee is extremely high. I'd like to have no random critical hits on this and maybe a damage vulnerability with melee out to make it more of a quick finishing weapon instead of a weapon you charge at foes at and getting a lucky random crit at their faces.

Also I forgot but did we talk about the Jump Action Shotgun in the Discord event?

Here's a video that can explain it better than I can why it's a bad idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKUB1ylZx-4

I already posted this before but I added a small attribute to it

The Six Point Shuriken
(+) On hit: Refills 2 Shurkiens
(+) On hit with your melee: Refills 2 Shurikens, up to 10 can be held
(+) 75% of all damage with this weapon is returned as health
(+) Long distance hits will always crit
(+) Mini-crits on bleeding enemies
(+) +30% faster deploy and holster time
(+) Combo system: second consecutive hit causes mini-crits, third consecutive hit causes crits. Only works on a single target and resets after 4 seconds after not damaging the target or until the third consecutive hit connects.
(+) +25% sentry resistance on wearer
(-) No access to primary weapon
(-) No random critical hits
(-) 10 second recharge per shuriken instead of 6

The Silent Slicer
(+) +30% jump height on wearer
(+) Always critical hit from behind
(+) Silent killer: No death noise from kills
(+) On hit: bleed for 3 seconds
(+) On kill: gain mini-crits on all weapons for 6 seconds
(+) Crits whenever it would normally mini-crit
(+) +30% faster deploy and holster time
(+) +100% damage bonus vs buildings
(-) -20% damage vulnerability while in the air
(-) -15% slower swing speed
(-) -15% damage penalty
(-) No access to primary weapon
(-) No random critical hits

Originally posted by AwesomeGuyDj:

IDK where to post this so i'll ask here.
In discord whats the point of having discord rooms for the servers?
And i also assume at the same time its ok to connect to any of the voice chats room available to you as a group member on discord?
(sorry if im asking dumb questions. Idk how discord works)

So we can make fun of the lessers in private behind all of your backs.

/s

The First Aid
Medic Medigun
[~]Healing enemies fills up a Kit bar separate to Ubercharge
[~]Bar works in a similar fashion to the Vaccinator charge
[~]Reload cycles through different types of health packs (small, medium, and large)
[~]Use special attack to drop health packs in exchange for your bars – 1 bar for small, 2 for medium, and 3 for large
[~]Bars have a 3 seconds cooldown before they can be used again
[+]All health kits dropped by this weapon can only be picked up by your team
[+]Healing enemies with health kits gives you more Uber - +10% for a small, +30% for a medium, and +50% for a large
[+]+25% Ubercharge rate
[-]-75% health from healthpacks on wearer
[-]-20% healing rate
[~]Ubercharge injects your patient automatically with a large health pack at a rate of every 0.5 second (brings them to full health every half second if used. If not, it is just launched out like a normal large health pack)
[~]Ubercharge also launches out medium health packs every second
[~]All health kits dropped by Ubercharge will not fill Uber
Model: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=83553604

this draft is rough af

Originally posted by Crafting | cTF2w:

Originally posted by sqwid:

So I forget if we talked about the Defender in the last update. Anyway, I think it's underused and for a good reason. The reducing ammo attribute is hardly useful at all and besides that, it only seems to be useful for killing a single class more easily. Not to mention the name "Defender" sort of doesn't make sense when its main attribute is taking away enemy ammo. Anyway, I have an idea of a complete rework of the stats to make it overall a better "Defender."

The Defender
Engineer Primary
[+]100% mini-crit vs players capping or defending the objective (including enemies near the cart, enemies on a point, enemies with the intelligence, and enemies with the most amount of beer on player destruction)
[+]+100% mini-crit vs players within your sentry's range
[+]On kill: restores all of your buildings' healths by 33%
[-]-25% slower reload rate
[-]-25% slower fire rate
[-]No random critical hits

This weapon now rewards a more defending playstyle by mini-critting against enemies trying to accomplish your objective and enemies trying to take out your sentry. I was also going to give it an added ability that gives more metal from the payload, but I feel like that should be a different weapon entirely that makes use more of an offensive playstyle.

Yeah, we missed a couple of talking points even though that meeting took 4 hours. We will be doing another one this coming weekend (instead of 2 weeks from now). Hopefully, it shoudn't take more than 2 hours max... I promise!

Luckily I don't have any major exams that next week so I can make room to join this one!

So I forget if we talked about the Defender in the last update. Anyway, I think it's underused and for a good reason. The reducing ammo attribute is hardly useful at all and besides that, it only seems to be useful for killing a single class more easily. Not to mention the name "Defender" sort of doesn't make sense when its main attribute is taking away enemy ammo. Anyway, I have an idea of a complete rework of the stats to make it overall a better "Defender."

The Defender
Engineer Primary
[+]100% mini-crit vs players capping or defending the objective (including enemies near the cart, enemies on a point, enemies with the intelligence, and enemies with the most amount of beer on player destruction)
[+]+100% mini-crit vs players within your sentry's range
[+]On kill: restores all of your buildings' healths by 33%
[-]-25% slower reload rate
[-]-25% slower fire rate
[-]No random critical hits

This weapon now rewards a more defending playstyle by mini-critting against enemies trying to accomplish your objective and enemies trying to take out your sentry. I was also going to give it an added ability that gives more metal from the payload, but I feel like that should be a different weapon entirely that makes use more of an offensive playstyle.

The Ground Breaker when it explodes leaves 10 mini bombs. And those 10 mini bomb when exploded spawn 10 more mini bomb each. This continues 10 more times. Also each mini bomb deals only 5 damage each and there's only one sticky out at a time.