Looks more like a hoax to me or the account has been hijacked.
There can only be one punishment for a scammer, and that's a permanent ban.

Originally posted by MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:

No, it saves time, because i'm not just going to repeat what he just said ...

Saves your time, but wastes everybody else's time. And you did repeat what he said, by quoting the entire lengthy post without really replying to anything specific that someone needs to read in your post to understand quickly what you are saying. You do that over and over in this discussion, probably just because you are too lazy to actually shorten quotes to the necessary minimum. But I am somehow not surprised you take a selfish pov here.

Originally posted by MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:

Yea its just going in a circle at this point.
It really comes down to them just excusing bad behavior for no good reason at all.

Lazily and unnecessarily quoting entire posts is bad behavior too! Please at least take the time to make this thread readable if you feel the need to ruminate.

Besides that, I have to ruminate too: you missed the point of this discussion.

I'm not really "defending their behavior", I just take a relaxed and pragmatic point of view that also allows (constructive) price discussions / comments as much as the freedom to set your own price. You have idiot comments and you have ridiculous trades as fallout, but both are easy to simply ignore, imo.

Originally posted by Currier Bell:

isn't it the same as your assumption that these people do not hurt trades and are worth keeping around?

See, it seems we're getting nowhere and neither of us can prove who's right. So just let everyone be - users making more or less ridiculous trades (freedom of price in general) and those that comment about the price (in a non-insulting / harassing way).

Both should be able to deal with it without having to involve mods or making rigid rules for something that is not such a big deal after all.

Originally posted by Currier Bell:

It's simple, people who feel that their input is needed when it has not been asked for are not welcome on the vast majority of trades.

Nobody asked them their opinion and nobody, especially the trade owner, wants their opinion.

That is an assumption you cannot state as a fact. It's just your opinion. I have a slightly different view, as explained before.
Like norby said too, I grant them the right to (try to) discuss your price as much as I grant you the right to set whatever price you feel like.

Originally posted by Currier Bell:

As for the last part, please start with the quickbuyers.

yawn, OT (Off Topic) and discussed many times before.

Maybe I assumed you are one of those reporting everything, but if you actually do or not is not important. You take their side in this discussion.

lol, now you're just being childish.

I've read your comments before. They still don't explain where the problem is in simply ignoring what you regard as "unrelated".

You said it yourself, you cannot define a red line anyway. A comment that is just "unrelated" is not worth reporting. Why is that so hard to understand?

I did not go into your suggestions, because they have been discussed in the suggestion forum before. Support one of those suggestions or make your own, but this discussion is not about suggestions, it is about how the current system should be used.

The only reason you provide is that those making those comments have to be educated and punished because that will make them stop doing something not everybody sees as a big problem, because it only seems to butthurt certain types of traders. I thought my last statement (in my last post - and also said before) would show you how naive that is and that the same argument can be made the other way around.

Or in a different light: why wouldn't the site not also lose those (you call idiot) members being punished for petty offenses - if it even is an offense - if you think punishing those that create unnecessary workload for mods would abandon the site?

Maybe there is a ton more of people, among them those "idiots" and me, that would rather have those wasting their time by making ridiculous trades see gone (see norby89's last post why there is a correlation between ridiculous trades and those that have a problem with price comments).

Who's to say who's the more valuable user for the site? You? Me?

I rather have OP clean of rip-off trades (e.g. ZakMcRofl) than the occasional "idiot" that points those rip-off trades out - but that's just my opinion.

In the same way one can argue that they could simply ignore your trade and move on, I make the argument that so can you with the added benefit to reduce the mods workload.

I agree, it seems futile to discuss with you both. You have it the wrong way around. It is you that still needs to explain what harm is actually done by not reporting simple comments you see as unwanted in your trade. All you do is misinterpret the rules and ignore the ones quoted by the OP.

Maybe it is time to also punish those that ignore these, since you seem to be for harsh punishment so easily.

(not really what I think should be done either, but maybe it gives you sth. to think about)

Originally posted by ♡Lady iMaasie™:

This guy said it pretty well, mostly. I do have sympathy with the mods though, since there are simply a lot of idiots.

Quoting the entire lengthy post without really replying to anything specific it is way more annoying than a simple "lol" in my trade about my price, btw.

@Currier Bell
You seem to have missed the point here. After reading your last post it is apparent that you didn't get the message and make assumptions that suit your point of view.
Read the rules about what to report, or rather what not to report, again thoroughly. It is even quoted by the OP. Nobody said you have to tolerate insults.

If you get a lot of comments about your price and regard every comment about it as an insult, it's clear to me you are indeed more of a problem than than those "idiots".

Originally posted by ♡Lady iMaasie™:

If you're strictly enforcing only the slightest rule violation of spam/unneccesary comments, people will think twice about being downright stupid in their comment = less reports - less stupidity.

If you give trade owners the possibility of removing/permahiding, nobody cares to report anymore, you can solve the problem yourself (unlike now, where hiding will actually stimulate most to continue, and the hidden post is visible to anyone), and seeing their effort go to waste, the spammer will stop rapidly too = less reports - less annoyance - less stupidity.

I'm sorry, that's just naive.

The site owner has decided that full transparency, i.e. only mods can truly hide comments, is worth more than your desire for a "tidy" trade.
He (me too) seems to think that your ability to hide a comment from initially showing and your ability to block users is enough to deal with simple rule violations and to keep your trade tidy enough.

And it's surly enough for comments that may not even be against the rules, but you still consider unwanted.

Compare to the definition of SPAM in the rules:

Originally posted by TF2Outpost Rules:

User Rules: 1. No spamming — this includes both trade notes and offers. Spam is considered:
* Posting the same thing multiple times on the same trade.
* Posting links to unrelated websites in offers (backpacks and steam profiles are acceptable).
* Derogatory statements made regarding the value of the trade or listed prices.

There is no question here about the first 2 points. But a comment about your price, what this discussion is mostly about, is not necessarily "derogatory". Most of the time they simply point out (in a more or less useful / polite way) what is obvious to an experienced trader anyway. If you already consider that "derogatory", the problem is with you.

I have yet to hear arguments why hiding and ignoring instead of reporting simple unwanted comments seems to not be an option for you.

How would you feel if this rule

Originally posted by TF2Outpost Rules:

Report System Rules: 2. But you should not... Report unnecessarily. If the problem is minor and can easily be resolved by hiding the post, do just that.

was enforced just as strictly as you wish simple comments, you deem unnecessary but can easily be ignored, should be handled?