Originally posted by Currier Bell:

Apparently enough people give a rat's ass that it totally clogs the report system to the points that mods make topics like this.

There, that's the issue here, not the comments. You say it yourself but still refuse to see it.

What kinds of those comments are useful and what's a nuisance may be another discussion. But unless the issue is serious, it's not worth reporting.
I have yet to see an argument why those comments that we talk about here should qualify as being serious. OP, norby and I made our arguments, contrary to what you believe.

The OP wanted to get you to do your part in reducing the workload for mods by getting you to think about the issue and change your behavior.

Look at it this way, if the fact is that 95% of those reports are ignored without further action anyway, why do you not learn from that and stop wasting your time and that of the mods further?

Obviously the mods do give "a rat's ass" about your unnecessary report, but not so much about what you reported.

At least accept that fact and think about it!

Originally posted by ♡Lady iMaasie™:

Well this sums it up nicely.

Not really, because he still didn't get it. Nobody but those constantly reporting these comments, that could just as easily be ignored (and the user blocked), gives a rat's ass because it's not worth it making a big deal out of it.

No matter what the rules say or how you interpret them, do your part to save other people's time by not wasting yours either making a report. Odds are it will be ignored anyway.

If you can be confident about your trade, no real harm is done, and if you can't, that's your problem - nobody can and wants to help you with that.

You don't seem to get it. I'm not excusing anything. Grow up and deal with comments yourself instead of whining and crying for moderators! That's the whole point!

Originally posted by ♡Lady iMaasie™:

The problem is the many idiots commenting, which is what the subject is in the first place.

No, the subject is, that you should simply ignore those instead of complaining / reporting!

Originally posted by Currier Bell:

I was talking about things like key trades and larger trades that replenishes stock. These trades get that long with or without selling your items and I would just think it'd be easier to navigate without hundreds of posts, which users do actually remake trades to get rid of.

If you need a long time to buy or sell keys for a certain price, that's exactly the kind of time wasting trade I was talking about. And if you change your price in the notes, nobody gives a damn to read the comments, especially in a key trade!
Again, why does it matter what comments your trade has? What's there to navigate?
And if that really bothers you, again, that's your problem and a new key trade is made within seconds, if not, something is wrong with your trade.
And please, don't come with the: "but I have bookmarks" argument. How often do you use your bookmarked trades to buy / sell anything instead of searching...?

Originally posted by Currier Bell:

As for your transparency [...] even seeing "X IS A SCAMMER DON'T TRADE" wouldn't stop me because I already doubt any post like that true, and is probably some butthurt guy who didn't get his deal.

Not my point and not what I had in mind with "abuse". But I don't want to get further into that now, that's a different discussion.

Originally posted by Currier Bell:

All I'm asking for is to allow users to self-moderate their trades so that the mods don't have to deal with every small little thing that comes their way and will have more free time to deal with actual reports like phishing links and scammers (maybe even the people you want to be exposed)

You can already do that. There is a hide and block user button. Why does everything have to be deleted? Just because people with enough time and interest can still read them? That's not a valid reason in my opinion.

And the whole point of this discussion is, that people do not report unnecessarily so that mods have the time to swiftly deal with the important stuff, like phishing links.

Originally posted by ♡Lady iMaasie™:

Ever had a trade where you can just keep buying the same thing over and over, so you have no need to close it? Many will sell you, and many will bitch because they're mad they can't sell their crappy item at the highest market price. The comments are ENTIRELY wrong, some people actually sell you stuff. Yet they feel the need to be a little bitch about it.

I don't see a problem. Either your price changed and you have to re-make your trade anyway, or you change your price in the notes.

Otherwise you most likely buy (very) limited quantities for offers and be done with it once the item(s) are acquired. If that takes hundreds of comments, see above.

Otherwise, what difference does it make how many (hidden) comments there are in fixed price trades? If you have some weird compulsion to have everything ultra neat and tidy, well, then that's your problem.

Originally posted by Currier Bell:

On top of all this, it would let people clean up their trades when they hit hundreds of comments, get rid of annoying junk like "unusual earbills/gud deel" posts, and overall lets the user self-moderate their trades rather than constantly bitch at staff.

I see no reason not to allow this, the site will literally lose no functionality and I see no argument against this other than the weak "well it shouldn't bother others/it's not that big of a deal".

If you haven't sold / bought your item(s) after hundreds of comments, it's more than likely something is wrong with your trade and you are the one wasting everybody's time, not just the comments.

It's not only because your item is "hard to find" that people post those comments, it's also because they feel the urge to tell you that you just wasted their time and like to get back at you by wasting yours (sort of). If that is useful or not, is a different matter.
But most of the time, those trades / users that get these comments basically asked for it. So get over it and don't waste other people's (mods) time by reporting.

Deal with it yourself!

I am strongly for transparency. That's why I would not like to see users be able to delete anything. Way too much potential for abuse. If it's really something nobody should be able to read, I am sure it's worth reporting and it will be removed.
If you like to sell for fixed prices without other people's comments, there are other sites where you can do just that.

Otherwise:

Be confident in your price, don't overestimate the supposed negative impact of useless comments, and if they really would hurt your trade, ask yourself what you did wrong.

Grow up! Simply ignore those comments and move on. You also always have to option to block people to prevent them from ever bothering you again.

Originally posted by MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:

In other words you must be forced to make trades to prevent price commenters from having a chance to spout their nonsense? No, sorry you have it the wrong way around. Everyone has the right to post a trade, yes, but people who price comment are neither customers or people who add anything to the trade, they effectively waste everyones time, for what? Giggles?

Doesn't matter for what reason. If that it is nonsense or not, is subjective and doesn't matter. We are not debating if all / most / some of those comments are useful or not, we are discussing that you constantly complaining and reporting those comments is even more of a nuisance.

Originally posted by MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:

You are saying everyone should have to change their behavior to account for the bad behavior of a few...thats just wrong. Those price commenters have the right to refuse to buy, and move the hell on, else they waste everyones time including their own.

Yes, you should change your behavior in the way to stop complaining yourself. You have the right to simply ignore them without making a fuss about it, that's the whole point here!

Originally posted by MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:

Put it this way, if someone has to resort to price commenting, it says they are having trouble finding that item, or else they would have just bought the item from someone else instead of wasting their time whining, thus their complaint is invalid by default.

Exactly, so what's the problem? Ignore them and sell for your price without problems...

Originally posted by ZakMcRofl:

Well Uranium235 you can argue all you want but if I were to go through your trades and mention whenever I found something cheaper than your prices, I am sure you would not appreciate it.

I honestly don't care. Go ahead and comment on my price all you want, I don't care. If I feel the need to, I will reply and defend my price, otherwise just hide your post. And if you annoy me, I will block you.

There, dealt with it like an adult without having to cry for mommy.

Originally posted by ZakMcRofl:

Right now you (Uranium235) only sell for low end backpack.tf prices but once you get more experienced as a trader, you will see people often offer more than backpack.tf prices.

I rarely sell for the low or buy for the high end too. But lately I don't have much time to trade, so I "only" try to sell my backpack expanders just under the high end of bp.tf, not above that - and I even don't try hard doing that either right now.
But if I wanted to really spent time trading again, I would rather lower my price, sell faster and make even more profit by having a shorter turnaround time. Economics 101, that should also come with experience.

Originally posted by ZakMcRofl:

If I were to post this not here but in his trades, I am sure norby89 would be upset, and rightfully so. It would ruin his chances to sell his items for the prices he wants to get. He would have to re-open them.

Nobody said anything about linking to other trades... that may be crossing the line, imo. And there may be a separate rule against that: "hijacking trades", if you interpret that loosely. But why would he need to re-open his trades? [/quote]


If you set a high price and must fear nobody will buy from you because someone points out that your price is not the lowest around, you seem to be the inexperienced one making assumptions.

Someone relying on the inexperience / exploitation of good faith of other users to sell well above market price must be a real experienced trader and everybody else is just a noob and the trading site has to protect and babysit you at all costs, is that it?

Sorry if I don't agree and sorry if I don't support that kind of attitude.

I completely agree with norby89.

If you want to see "how the market reacts", comments on your price are such a reaction. So what is it, do you want reactions or not?

I don't get why you have to recreate your trade, even if it would be full of "spam". Since this mostly applies to fixed price trades, what do the number of comments matter anyway?
And btw, bookmarks are overrated.

Why should discussions/comments about prices not be possible on "any good trading site"? The price is a major part of trading after all.

Why do so many people claim only they have to have the right to get the best of everything? Set a high price, don't have to deal with comments, don't get offered items unless it's a (further) huge overpay, don't get added when not paying the wanted price / until the offer is accepted - but still allow to be added when it's a "too good to refuse" offer, etc. ...

If you want to have your peace, make your trades and prices in such a way. Otherwise deal with the consequences and stop complaining and reporting.

If he insults you directly, why not. Your example (ffs) would not be an insult yet, imo, just bad manners. But if he calls you an idiot, retard or the like, as he's done with others it seems, I guess you can report that.

If alt accounts are the main reason is very debatable and not a fact.
Fact is, that Refined is being devalued while Keys are relatively stable (in terms of $).