Total War: ATTILA

Total War: ATTILA

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Weak Pikemen with lethal Pike Walls, Spear Walls and Spear Squares
   
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Weak Pikemen with lethal Pike Walls, Spear Walls and Spear Squares

In 1 collection by Sheph
Little Shepherd Innovations
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Description
Better and Realistic Pike Walls, Spear Walls and Spear Squares

Updated 2020: A bit stronger walls, but movement speed slowed considerably.

Yes, this is built to work with most other Attila/Bel/Char mods that have units modifications.
I only modded the melee weapon and special ability tables.

This mod is based on extensive testing and review of other pike/spear wall mods.
Pikes themselves are one of the weakest weapons on the list.
The pike units are pretty useless without their special ability.
With the special ability, many bonuses come into play that reflect their actual battle dynamics.
In particular, pike walls were nearly invulnerable from the front.
The best stat to reflect this -shield defense and not defense- is greatly increased in this mod for the appropriate formations.

Yes, there were no proper hoplites after Greece, but compressed spear walls were used through the dark ages.

This mod does not touch the stats of any units to allow many tiers of pikes if a modder wishes.

Pike walls: Able to hold the line unless they are flanked. It is hard to break them in urban settings. Added knockback animations.Less missile cover than in Vanilla. Slightly slower than infantry. Be sure to lower the pikes before impact. You only have a 2 second window to lower them.
Pke Square: Large bonus to anti-cavalry ability. Moderate anti-missile. Modest defense. Immobile. For tier 1 or those without the other two listed here. The barbarian version of testudo.
Spear Wall: This is really a toned down Pike wall with the missile block chance set at 25. Very slow. I would recommend it be assigned only to mid-level spear units, not tier 1 as it is powerful. I didn't add that much bonus against cav because spear units already have very high anti-cavalry damage. It is meant to be more powerful than a shield wall with additional cavalry protection. Downside is its speed.

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21 Comments
Sheph  [author] 25 Feb, 2023 @ 4:43am 
Attila seems to agree somewhat. A number of barbarians have pike phalanx formations which I haven't seen historical evidence for. In the game, they lose without a buff because of the panic and defense loss from being flanked by a swarming force. I use them where that can't happen especially towns.
randzbolantejr 25 Feb, 2023 @ 3:26am 
Late Roman armies do have pike and spear phalanx though. It was mentioned in Emperor Maurice book and it was also mentioned hundreds of years later by Nikephoros Phokas. "Greek Phalanx" style of units will never go away in greek speaking Roman Empire up until perhaps 1204.
Sheph  [author] 7 Jun, 2021 @ 1:06pm 
It should help some of their pikes but not all.
This mod mods special abilities and weapons.
If they used minimal attila weapons, there will be less.
Feel free to use this as a base for an MK mod.
PinkUnicornLover 7 Jun, 2021 @ 11:29am 
Hey is this compatible with MK 1212 AD?
Sheph  [author] 18 Apr, 2020 @ 5:56pm 
Hmm. That would be out of scope of this mod. It is very easy though. I am releasing a bugfix mod tomorrow that can have that as a feature.
Bernard Bonsu 18 Apr, 2020 @ 4:16pm 
Can you make a mod that adds Menaulatoi to WRE please? PFM seems like not working for me any more
Sheph  [author] 29 Jan, 2020 @ 7:00pm 
Many mods add more lethal pikes in the weapons table. You can assign the weapons to the units. This mod mainly modifies the formation stats.
If you create powerful pikes and use this mod, your pikes will be very overpowered.

No time for the knockbacks at the moment.

I slowed down pike formations in the latest patch. Nice testing Angel.
UncensoredAngel 28 Jan, 2020 @ 12:54am 
Could you make a standalone mod just for the knockback animations?
UncensoredAngel 28 Jan, 2020 @ 12:17am 
Can't find the pike square and pikes are not slower. What do you mean by you would "recommend it be assigned only to mid-level spear units, not tier 1 as it is powerful"? isn't that why you use a spear wall? because it's better then no formation lol
bluemoon 17 Mar, 2019 @ 1:10pm 
The best looking/least liked unit gets some well deserved love. Using pikes for street fighting is awesome.