God damn, talk about an OG mod lol

The in-game descriptions say that the pistol and minigun have 16% pen (compared to 15% for the bullet versions), the laser rifle and LMG have 18% pen (industrial versions have 16%), the laser SMG has 20% pen (industrial has 18%) and the laser sniper has 42% pen (industrial version has 38%). So that seems like approximately a 10% increase across the board?

Damage per bullet is also roughly 10% increased, so if you applied a multiplier to the base weapon instead of adding a new value manually, maybe it applied to both at the same time? I know the quality modifiers to damage also get applied to penetration value.

Anyway, without some penetration value, lasers would do zero damage 100% of the time to mechanoids, since they all have 200% heat armor. Having a penetration score gives you a (small) chance to deal half damage.

There's probably just some calculation involving a defaultArmorPenetration value in relation to damage and damage type I'm not familiar with to equate to penetration in some way. Just means I need to read up more if that's the case. Much love. ❤

I suppose it doesn't really matter lol, they work and look awesome so thank you!

That's really weird, for me it says the rifle has 18% armor penetration in the info tab for the gun. Not to mention in my experience guns with incredibly low or no AP simply fail to do meaningful damage to spacer tech armor wearing individuals, and while these may be great, 12 damage is not enough to simply shrug off most good spacer tech armor. I am not saying you are lying or anything, perhaps it was automatically calculated somehow? I am confused I guess, like I said these perform really well, I love your mod, but every other weapon I have used with vanilla'ish stats, modded or not, has been relatively useless against factions like the empire without armor pen over 15%.

No for real, none have a armorPenetrationBase stat. They're just that good without it. Only seven weapons in the entire game with all DLC (excluding Anomaly) even have it. 😛

Every gun has armor penetration in RimWorld what do you mean???? These would be virtually useless without armor penetration lol. I am using them right now they are pretty great!

There is no armor penetration for any laser weapon within this mod that I'm aware of. Hopefully that's helpful.

Wish the armor pen stats were listed, no gun mods list armor penetration for some odd reason despite it being one of the most important stats... Regardless these look good so thank you! I needed generic looking grey laser guns and just about every other mod regarding laser weapons has some weird theme that makes them unusable for my playthrough!

noooooooooooo ;-;

There is no native support for CE at this time.

CE?

I believe they should spawn with them, but only spacer factions will, who aren't very common. Making them appearing probably rare in that case.

Thanks! The cooldowns are a huge component of the dps of a weapon, and all of these look *slightly* faster than their primitive slug-thrower equivalents, which both makes sense and justifies the investment of research time and advanced components.

As for penetration, it might not actually be necessary... heat damage pretty much halves the value of powered armor and quarters flak when compared to piercing weapons, which is going to be more effective than all but the highest quality armor piercing weapons. And on the flip side, garments made of devilstrand (or hyperweave) retain very high protection against lasers which gives them a use case even in the late game where powered armor would otherwise dominate. It does reduce the value of masterwork/legendary lasers slightly, but the accuracy and damage boosts are more than enough incentive.

Do you know if enemies spawn in with lasers on their own, or should I look at a mod for re-shuffling enemy arsenals to account for new weapons?

The cooldown I just didn't think about. Armor penetration however I didn't even know the game had until I just now looked for it in the files. I'll add the cooldowns so you can have reference, but just know there isn't armor penetration on any laser weapons. For now anyway, *wink*

The stats listed above are nice but seem incomplete. Like, damage is listed but AP is not, and warmup time is listed but cooldown is not. That makes it hard to effectively compare them to vanilla projectile weapons. Is there a full list accessible someplace else?

Turns out this is a non vanilla xml check from VE Framework, see: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2875253786

Hmmm, might need an xml fix:

[code]Laser_Shot sound is missing resolved grains and will not work properly. Report about it to Laser Guns devs.
UnityEngine.StackTraceUtility:ExtractStackTrace ()
(wrapper dynamic-method) Verse.Log:Verse.Log.Error_Patch1 (string)
VFECore.Startup:CheckXmlErrors ()
VFECore.Startup:.cctor ()
System.Runtime.CompilerServices.RuntimeHelpers:RunClassConstructor (System.RuntimeTypeHandle)
(wrapper dynamic-method) Verse.StaticConstructorOnStartupUtility:Verse.StaticConstructorOnStartupUtility.CallAll_Patch2 ()
Verse.PlayDataLoader/<>c:<DoPlayLoad>b__4_5 ()
Verse.LongEventHandler:ExecuteToExecuteWhenFinished ()
Verse.LongEventHandler:UpdateCurrentAsynchronousEvent ()
Verse.LongEventHandler:LongEventsUpdate (bool&)
Verse.Root:Update ()
Verse.Root_Entry:Update ()
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It'll be updated to 1.4 yes. Probably just works right now, but I haven't looked to know for certain. Any combat changes will likely need some minor rebalance on my end for 1.4.

1.4?

Really love this mod BTW, as it adds no lag by virtue of being xml only. Hence I assume it will just work with 1.4.

Just remembered.
Thanks for the minigun!
Slightly burned slaves now for sale.

As is noted on the description and the weapons themselves, they are not very effective against Mechanoids, but work great against organics.

ummm.... do these weapons work on mechanoids? maybe it's just me but they seem to do very little...

This isn't natively compatible with Combat Expanded. Sorry for the inconvenience.

CE??

Looks good. Vanilla expanded's system of adding lasers just seems too bloated and annoying. 2 types of lasers and you can't craft the good ones with any amount of research? Lame. I will be going with this instead of vanilla expanded to add lasers to my game.

well, burn damage is the most painful damage in the game. although, i think only a couple of weapons cause burn damage. so its good to see mods like these add weapons that deal burn damage and rimworld could use weapons that deal that kind of damage.

These are generally excellent for capturing people alive. They will live and just be downed from pain shock with horrible (but non-bleeding) burns about.... 70% of the time more or less. What makes them not overpowered (in my opinion) is that they're pretty terrible against mechanoids. takes goddamn forever to kill them. Gold Unicorn for you.

Oh yeah laser minigun would be great and some kind of turret wont hurt either

Not at the moment. The LMG is the closest thing to what you're looking for for now.

Love the pew pew laser action. Any plans for a Laser minigun?

Yep. Works in 1.1

1.1?

@leion247 thank you! Looking forward to laser blasting raccoon people for non lethal capture!

Should work with B18 and B19, but I'm not certain with versions before that. Adding this to a existing save is fine.

Does this work on old saves?

Honestly, I know nothing about that mod, but I hear it does good things with combat. While I'm unlikely to get out any patches for that mod, I'm fully supportive of anyone willing to make one.

any plans for CE Compatibility ? i love your laser mod but i love the CE too ;)

I'd have a firm guess that extended combat isn't compatible. But this should work with anything else that doesn't change weapon mechanics fundamentally. I can confirm Glitter Tech works 100% with this.

Any hard incompatabilites?

yes, the assault rifle now does 11, it used to do 7, the charge rifle went from 11 to 15 per shot

Did the assault rifle get a damage upgrade? It's either that or I'm just blind, lol. I'll make sure to make it at least the same damage.

the vanilla assault rifle now does 11 damage per bullet, the laser rifle does only 10. could you look into the new damage values for these weapons and adjust them slightly?

Yep, I plan to getting all my mods updated soon. It's just gonna take time.

Any chance to get this updated to the current version?

Хася, ты говно безграмотное, лазер это усиление света возбуждённым выпуском излучения.

Меня нервирует ,что некоторые не знают ,лазер это направленый луч ! УУУУУУУУ КАК ЖЕ БОМБИТ

idk how u could balance pistols/SMgs though because as soon as u get rifles pistolds/SMGs become useless

yea snipers should be high warmup/damage and good accuracy to hit targets behind cover

haha i already did i was litterally just ironing out a weird ass bug where all the guns do the same dmg (mod incompatibility) oh well! and thank you hope you enjoyed making it :p