Defense shields requires Weapon Core, any other version is not officially supported and is using very old code.

Also no, for both types of viable shield mods i found?
"Energy Shield"
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2976604125
and "Defensiv Shields"
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1365616918
The later being the one usually used with weapon core but also has a vanilla version as far as i am aware.

and then there is the new kid on the block Structural Reinforcement
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3029470356
Is that one compatible?

Ok cheers

If you are running vanilla weapons it will work as described.

If shields are present they will take all the damage and spread will never happen. So yes they work with shields?

Weapon core uses its own projectiles so this mod is not needed. If you are mixing weapon core and vanilla weapons this mod will work as intended for vanilla but i have no idea if it will mess with WC damage.

Easy answer is no, you dont need this mod with weapon core.

no for both?

No

does this work with shields and weaponcore?

@Revan your words are like poetry

i dont know if anyone pointed this out yet but your cover image looks like a gundams cock

I've been using this mod as part of AQD-Combat Rebalanced, however I recently swapped to his no dependency version to remove Shrapnel. It kept crashing my server with a fatal output listed on Torch's log:
at Shrapnel.Core.UpdateBeforeSimulation()
at Sandbox.Game.World.MySession.UpdateComponents()
at Sandbox.Game.World.MySession.Update(MyTimeSpan updateTime)
at Sandbox.MySandboxGame.Update()
at Sandbox.Engine.Platform.Game.UpdateInternal()
at Sandbox.Engine.Platform.Game.RunSingleFrame()
at Sandbox.Engine.Platform.FixedLoop.<>c__DisplayClass11_0.<Run>b__0()
at Sandbox.Engine.Platform.GenericLoop.Run(VoidAction tickCallback)
at Sandbox.Engine.Platform.Game.RunLoop()
I think it's called as part of a render loop which then does a fatal exit. I did notice lots of X-Y-Z graph style square particles in my game after large explosions. Really like your mod so thought I would post to help it out. Also I truncated most of the output since it doesn't fit in the post.

it does

does this mod still work?

I have noticed green, red, and blue square particles whilst using this mod, no idea how to fix

Also, why is all my ammunition infinite now?

@Gauge

Does it work with the Ravenbolt's Compact Weapon System? I'd rather use it if possible.

oh, use the PDC cannon mod too!

single player was working great but MP had issues where bullets were not being synced right.

@CONSTIPATED SCREECHING APE


Check out: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1598924014

It should still work. Use the OKI mod too.

Very cool mod, just wondering, do you have any plans to release that ricochet mod that you posted about a year ago? I really liked the idea of sloped armor actually working as intended.

they just wanted to be together inside the same c# file i guess lol

it was having issues until i combined them into 1 script file. once i made sure all the Usings calls were up there i copy and pasted deformation under schrapnel and they both started working

Yes, i also find nothing wrong with the script itself.

offspring try the Shift+F11 page and see what error are coming up. it may be a class conflict cause i use the class "Core" in most of my mods.

ya it does not seem to play well with other scrips in the scripts folder even if they all have their own subfolder. it will work with some but if i also have balanced deformation in there or the relative speed mod it stops working, even if they have their own folders. im assuming i don't know a mechanic the game uses in order to load and run scripts

which i find weird because if i give it its own local mod folder it works great, just doesn't like being in with another mod

ok i found the problem, it works perfectly as its own mod, but when i try to integrate it into my overhaul (move it from its own mod folder into the scripts folder of my mod) it does not seem to work anymore even if i keep it in its own folder. do you have any idea what could be doing this?

yes, and the blocks around those ones are always at 100% like no splash damage was transfered to them. i use this mod with your balanced deformation mod to beef up armor and balance out my weapons mod. its good stuff :)

That sounds off. I'll take a look this weekend.

or maybe im just miss understanding how its working lol

@gauge is this script still functional, ive been testing it and if i set a projectile to 8 million damage against a 5 layer deep heavy armor wall it only takes out about 4 blocks. Its making my weapons balancing not work as intended lol. if you get some time to check out if its working properly id be in your favor!

and especially often goes the "easy way" instead of thinkering trough!

to be fair, balancing never is an easy task - even using well proven math models & excel doesn't solve it, in the end you're microadjusting until it feels "right"!^^ - and serveradmins often use mods wich at variables to be thinkered with too! - so even if SE would had a "baseline" we would still see custom balanced servers! - but yea, it's sad that KeenSWH lacks sense for balancing -.-#

Yeah SE is particularly bad because the game has no base level balance and every server admin has a different idea of how to balance things.

@Gauge
thx for the fast Reply - yea, needs testing what makes sense and what not - as always!^^
About reupload yea - always an issue with this workshop xP (i wish you could just have more control over your work not getting pirated but also able to allow others to simply update outdated mods even without the creators action! - a bit like a wiki works... - but for now we're stick with this method of C&P reuploads xP - dependent on the reuploaders sanity to label/differentiate his version and giving proper credit!)

If you are unhappy with the default amount feel free to create your own version of the mod. I only request that you do not use the same image and that you reference this mod in the description.

Yes, there is a fall off. Overkill damage only spreads 80% damage per step.

Say we have 1000 overkill damage. Only 800 damage will be split between neighboring blocks.
If there are 4 neighbors that would be 200 damage per neighor.
A neighbor dies it also spreads 80% overkill damage.

Essentially no matter how strong the weapon it can only spread up to 5 times.

Is there a falloff included in the script? - so that if someone is hit by a overpowered railgun it is not exploding the whole ship but rather just makes the hole bigger than in vanilla! ;-)
(i have an increasing factor in mind, after the first block is destroyed 33-50% of the remaining dmg is dealt to the adjacent blocks, after they got destroyed another 50-66% of the remaining dmg is applyed and a third time max 66-80% of dmg is applyed befor the rest get's cut off (if there is dmg remaining!)

That sounds better, although I understand how a laser should just drill one hole where the laser beams.

That is because the laser weapon script applies very low damage numbers 60 times a second (3-11 damage per tick if I recall correctly).

Shrapnel only spreads overkill damage so it would only spread the remaining 5-11 damage from the last tick divided between neighbours.

If you want I can modify and release a mod that spreads all incoming damage a bit.

I tried testing this mod with Directed Energy Weapons (plus steel plate & metal grid health increase, heavy armor has 33k health), the heavy lasers on that just drills holes and not deal any splash damage...

Thanks!

Go for it.

Hi Gauge

I'm putting together a modpack for combat balance, much like my other modpack for quality of life. I'd like to list this mod as a dependency in it, if that's alright with you. I'd also be listing all contained mods in the description of the modpack, along with a small blurb about what each mod does plus attribution and link. :)

I see, so your mod is a more precise shrapnel mod that tries to reduce the chance of lag as much as possible while the other didn't take that into account. Thanks for the reply, this clears things up greatly.

That mod spawns an explosion when killing a block

[code]
BoundingSphereD sphere = new BoundingSphereD(pos, deltaDamage/500f);
MyExplosionInfo bomb = new MyExplosionInfo(deltaDamage*0.6f, deltaDamage*0.6f, sphere, MyExplosionTypeEnum.BOMB_EXPLOSION, false, false);
[/code]

My code does the following:

[code]
// total over kill damage devided by the number of neighbours
// that times the reduction multiplier 0 to 1
// that times the blocks general reduction multiplier 0 - 1
float damage = ((OverKill / neighbourCount) * ReductionMult * generalMult);
neighbour.DoDamage(damage, MyDamageType.Bullet, true);
[/code]

There are some trade offs to be made on both sides. When choosing their mod:

You gain area of effect damage.

You take a large performance hit. An explosion is expensive. Having one trigger each time a block is destroyed is bound to cause performance issues.

You are also loosing any ability to control how much damage is being done to blocks. Explosions apply deformation damage not direct HP damage. From my testing with explosions it doesn't matter if the damage you set is 1 or 100,000 things will deform and take damage roughly the same way.


When choosing this mod:

Spread is limited to the grid.

Damage is predicable and can be effectively balanced around.

The performance cost is as low as i could make it.


In both cases overkill has a chain reaction.

Hello Gauge, I was looking into your deformation mod and found you also had a shrapnel mod. I saw this question was asked before but perhaps you can elaborate? What is the difference between your mod and this one: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=900678366

As far as I can tell both spread out remaining "overkill" damage to surrounding blocks. Is it how the two mods spreads out the damage? Your mod and comment section clearly state the mod spreads out the remaining damage to adjacent, connected blocks. The other mod, at least in the pictures, seems to have a larger radius of affect or is it the same? Chain reaction?Thank you for your time.

sounds about right hahaha i would change all my projectiles to missiles but i already over-wrote it's particles effects and turned it into a photon torpedo, so everything launching photon torpedo's would look rather strange lol guess im stuck at 0.1 deformation until Keen does a weapons update lol

Currently Keen has F****** deformation. The issue is that deformation is applied before damage and if a block dies to deformation it passes deformation along and deletes itself without first going though the damage handler. The only solution is to disable deformation but then grids bounce off each other instead of deforming. It's a trade off till keen tries to make more weapons and realizes how broken their code is.

ah nevermind i think your mod was infact working, i just discovered even at 0.1 deformation a 6000 damage round was still causing a 6x2 hole. if i grinded the block to before it was complete and thus had no deformation on it it could take that hit like a champ lol so technically vanilla in game half built armor blocks are superior because they wont cause deformation damage to things hahah. This will be fun to balance around if i want to maintain the look of deformation when armor is hit

I also see your deformation mod references the armor blocks general damage multiplier, does it already apply that resistance line to all armor blocks?