That worked, the stats are as they should be now. Thanks for the help

Chances are you have some mod overriding this one, so just put this one lower in the mod list near the bottom or a little above any world modifying mods and it should work as intended. Now not everything's armor pen was changed so whatever mod you have that actually changes that will be used as this one dosn't change the ninja blades'

For some reason, Katanas are showing up as +30% armor pen. Rather than -25%. Making them very broken, anyone else having this issue?

First, Kanatas works like Sabers than Swords, all the weight on the blade so they don't have a effective defense but attack bonus (speed attack was mediocre)

- Depends a lot on the User technique to ATK and DEF

Second, to a effective Penetration of Plates or Chains you should consider the type of weapon, a Spike and Blade don't be the same, for example Spears needs Weight and Acceleration to penetrate by a fine spike, a Sharp Edge is a secundary Factor, but a broad blade needs cut so Kogarasu (Double edged Katana) would be more effective dealing damage throught Armored enemies cause the Double Edge produces more Stress on armor by stab.

- Curve Blades don't contribute (Stab)(exist some design exceptions)
- One Sharp Edge don't contribute (Stab)
- Light Weight don't contribute (Stab and Hit)

@FallenJmc

That's not true at all, the Katana realistically speaking isn't that great at fighting plate armor or going through armor.

Real Life they were intended more to fight non-armored opponents or lightly armored ones. Against plated armor irl the Katana isn't good at all. Would have to attack via the in-betweens of the plated armor. You'd have a better time hurting the person wearing plated armor with a spear or a blunt weapon.

:D

thankies

Or:
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2444363322

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1810435206

"realistic" longswords
(and shortclevers) when?

Katanas were designed to rend armor pointless

CollapsibleChair Feb 9 @ 3:37pm
Swords of any type were not really weapons of war, they were more symbolic, unlike spears and polearms, as well as bows. But swords could be used for coup de grace and duelling. Kenshi fights are mainly skirmishes without armies and troops, swords fit perfectly within this type of combat. Besides Kenshi is a imaginary world and normal rules need not apply and as such realism goes out of the window.

I mean, shouldn't it be bad against armor?

thanks

That depends but in most cases heavy weapons are better. Especially late game when you have the strength and dexterity to wield it. But it does give katanas a buff, very good for early game.

does this mod makes late game katanas better than the big swords or nah?

glad to hear it :D

It still works fine for me. When you say it has to effects on the character attributes you mean like +2 to attack? If it dosn't add any and you're testing it with only 1 weapon in the slot. If its not working make sure your armor dosnt have a -2 to attack and the weapon has a +2, as that will just cancel out to be no bonus or debuff. If that dosn't work then chances are you have another mod that effects that part of the katanas. Either it states the fact it changes the value or the mod dosn't state that, as some modders will forget to put that in their description. If the armor thing wasn't it, then try putting this mod at the bottom of the load order. If that dosn't work then I have no idea. Hope this helps.

For real lol. Thank you :)

The comment sections of your mods regarding people being butthurt over your title are just....laughable to say the least. So many armchair historians XD. It's just a mod people....relax.

Swords of any type were not really weapons of war, they were more symbolic, unlike spears and polearms, as well as bows. But swords could be used for coup de grace and duelling. Kenshi fights are mainly skirmishes without armies and troops, swords fit perfectly within this type of combat. Besides Kenshi is a imaginary world and normal rules need not apply and as such realism goes out of the window.

Which one is realistic? The one that realizes that, hey, gee, the same way virtually all non-hyper-curved swords were used to stab to defeat all but the most tanky of full plate armors, also applies to most Japanese swords. They have a sharp bit, and a slightly curved blade. Sharp bit, therefore, can be plunged through mail, brigandine, less protected bits of platemail etc. Swords designed to cut, can stab (katana etc), and swords designed to stab, can cut (gladius etc).

The topper.

https://www.quora.com/How-would-a-Katana-fare-against-high-medieval-era-armor-from-the-most-common-set-to-plate-armor

which one is realistic?

>>Brovahkiin
Seems like you are looking for damage/bleeding overhaul mod. You can try this one:
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2643027189

Katanas as most swords arent the most effective weapon in warfare...

personally I think katanas would be more fun with a bit more bleed and a tiny bit less armour pierce penalty, high level enemies basically never collapse due to blood loss with standard settings and doing a flat bleed multiplier also means you die too easily yourself

the 10% bonus to humans is laughable and gets completely eaten by the armour pierce penalty
enemies that aren't heavily armored are no issue with very few exceptions anyway so this kind of annoys me

the mod seems decent to not completely screw balance (on the other hand we got martial arts vanilla being completely broken so no big issue I guess)

Thats how its done!

made a RELISTIC MEDAL mod for him :)

This guy needs a medal lemme tell you.

Thank you so much Player2431! You understand ^_^

lmao people complaining about realism and katanas. I mean unless you got stabbed by one IRL, this is a GAME MOD so try it out and adjust the game to your taste. The mod author is literally inviting a discussion on how it could be more fun for everyone...please don't be so dense with the name.

Well seeing as this is the 400th comment iv'e gotten about this just so everyone gets it. (also you mean buff not nerf) >:)

REALISTIC IS JUST THE NAME I BRANDED WITH MY MODS, THEY AREN'T ALL NECESSARILY REALISTIC. I STARTED WITH ARMOR MODS CHANGING THE COVERAGE TO BE REALISTIC, AND THEN EVEN SOME BUFFS AND DE-BUFFS TO BE MORE REALISTIC. OTHER TIMES IT IS JUST NOW ACTUALLY BETTER AND A BETTER CHOICE OVER VANILLA SUCH AS THIS MOD. AN EXAMPLE IS MY REALISTIC MARTIAL ARTIST BINDINGS MOD - THEY USED TO BE COMPLETELY USELESS AND NOW THEY ARE ACTUALLY USEFUL. THEY GO BY REALISTIC MARTIAL ARTISIT BINDINGS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MY MODS WERE ORIGINALLY BRANDED AS.

Hope this helps everyone :)

i dont get it.. why is this called more realistic? It's simply a Katana nerf. please correct me if i am wrong.

agreed ;)

As other folks pointed out, calling this mod "realistic" could be kind of a stretch since using a katana against metal armor would do nothing but wreck the blade.

*However*... Most, if not *all* armor in Keishi leaves exposed areas. Even the high-end samurai armor has no protection on the belly and throat areas. So this mod *does* make sense if we consider that katana-wielding characters are actually targeting those spots.

not realistic. Real world katanas were awful against real armor. Still useful

Thank you all so much for 10,000 downloads!

@FloridaCHOLO305 Frankly all weapons in this game are unrealistic aside from the blunt ones, bladed weapons were never meant to go through armor, they were meant to be aimed at unarmored spots, that's why blunt weapons were created. Can't cut or stab them? Break their bones instead!

Can you make a patch for the DAISHOU mod please??
Id appreciate it! :)

Aight cool :) Glad you liked my idea!

@Captain Diomedes makes sense thanks for the feed back ill change it!

Would it be reasonable to buff Nodachi's armor pen malus from -20% to -15%? Especially since you buffed normal Katana's from -30% to -20% which is what the Nodachi has rn. That way it goes more in line with the fact that the Nodachi is a heavier two handed weapon with more power behind it's swing but it's still inherently a Katana at heart which has poor performance against armor.

As someone else said I wouldn't say its realistic but a good buff since they were nerfed too hard. I mean good armor irl could stop swords especially right before guns became the standard. Good mod

GLORIOUS NIPPON STEEL

yeah but they are sharp :) thx for the feedback

I wouldn't necessarily call it realistic. Katanas were pretty bad weapons irl. Still, from a gameplay perspective, katanas need a buff. Good mod

i forgot they were katana class

wait, im stupid i forgot xD sorry ill do that later

Did you not feel the need to buff Toppers?