Thanks for the swift reply, i seen the mod was inactive for awhile so was wondering if i was even gonna get a reply!

It might be conflicting with something else i have but i didn't think so and just wanted to check, i will check later and maybe see if i can get it working. Thanks again!

That's strange, there should be basically no conflicts (except with the other version of course).

I also don't remember fortified armies getting towers? If they do then great! I suppose I never stood an army around - I either defended with a city or was attacking...

Unfortunately I haven't been modding in years, and even uninstalled this game many years ago so checking if something is wrong would be a pain. My only suggestions are to make sure out of date mods are enabled, and to try one mod on its own to see if it's a conflict with a different mod you're using.

Tried both this and the insane version on a fortified army defence battle and on a custom siege battle and neither worked in either situation

Unfortunate, only mod like this i can see on the workshop that doesn't make the towers too OP

I love your wrorks and your idea on R2.

ok thank for telling me the way to do that, thx bro!

Open up the mod in pack file manager, change the rate of fire so that it's really slow, then save as your own mod. There may be more to it, but I haven't touched modding in years.

However, I urge you to instead appreciate the defences for what they are. Cities are meant to be hard to storm...

may i ask how can i make the tower weaker.. it cost too many loss when i attack the city

If you want OP, go for the 'Insane' version...

This mod is OP. I love it

Though a human player could contrive to catch towers before it causes too much damage. As AI has been very stupid when leading a siege battle, these towers could easily slaughter AI units.

It makes them something to be avoided, destroyed, or captured. In my view they should be powerful. This mod aims to replicate the rate of fire of (two?) bowmen per tower, albeit with unlimited ammunition. Be glad they don't have rocks as well.

Assaulting a wall should be hard, a towered wall doubly so...

To be honest, this makes arrow towers too powerful.

That is strange. Try verifying game files and using this one alone once more, otherwise I have no idea. I'll try to check tomorrow if it still doesn't work.

Firstly, i've tried it seperately and works good. But then, after i subscribed another mod, the game ddin't start and kepp waiting me at the first loading screen which is before the cinematic. So, i deleted that mod completely but the problem was continued with this mod. I don't understand where the problem come from

As in this is in the list of mods, or you've tried it seperately? If this doesn't work on its own I'll look into it, otherwise it's likely to be a different mod...

Thanks for quick response.
Maybe it is because of the patch but the game dosen't start with most of mods and with this one. So i think updating can be a solution. But you know better than me. Then, the problem is about something else

This has never needed updating before (it's a very minor change, done in an unobtrusive way), have you tried enabling out of date mods?

Great mod but could you update this for the Power & Politics patch?

Ok, thanks

My mistake, the video is of this version. Look at the other version of this mod for a video that better shows the killing power of the arrows.

Well you certainly can't stand next to these on vanilla, but I don't know what DEI changes...

Watch the video for Armoured Legionaries in Testudo taking heavy losses under fire (and then scale that down to the regular fire rate of this mod - about one every second?).

I think arrow towers in DEI should have more HP... It seems like you can stand next to an arrow tower for quite some time before taking casualties... does your mod help with this?

I understood armour as working differently, perhaps they've changed it?

It can't just be missile fire anyway, as it works in melee too. And from what I gathered it only comes into play once the unit has been hit, and therefore the will sustain the ap damage anyway...

i got confused about that too, some people on twc said, shield value contributes somehow to block chance. The definition in game for armor stat is how resistant troops against enemy missles fire, i guess, higher shield value means higher chance at blocking missiles. Since changing block chance does not improve much, i changed shield value in armor stat instead, that really helped

But you said you increased their sheild armour values - surely that would increase general armour from the front? I thought missile block chance and armour were different?

The problem with just increasing armour though, is the small armour piercing component of most weapon damage...

I just tried the boiling oil with a cooldown of 50, and it was still firing every 5 seconds or so. I have no idea what's going on. Sorry I can't help more, but if you find a solution please tell me!

to be clear, the increase only occurs when troops are in testudo, it only increases block chance against missiles ( which makes it harder for missile units to hit troops in testudo formation). This increase does not provide protection in meele combat. Beside extra protection against missles, it does not change anything else. According to my test, it takes 3 minutes for 3 egyptian archer units to kill 11 of my rome armored legionaire soldiers in one unit. Without this fix, it only takes 40 seconds to kill that many

So you think it's just a fault with the missile block chance stat? And how does that fix affect standard combat?

@peel , to boost protection for troops aganist missle in tesduto formaion, i add 85 to shield value in armor stat (which also affect block chance against missiles). that really makes testudo formation worth it now. I tried that with block chance too, it really did not help at all

Oh, that's strange. I'm not sure I ever checked that one in battle, so it could be a hard coded event (I'm making this up).

I had a similar problem with the arrows always doing damage that bypassed all protection (even testudo miss chance stats), and I don't think I ever fixed that.

I'll give it a look if I remember, but I'm pretty busy at the moment and chances are it's not fixable...

peel, can you check the boiling oil reload time? it is still 10. I opened your mod with PFM, yes it is 15 but in the battle it's still 10. I put in my own value, but the value got locked at 10. can you take a look at this problem?

To Viki: It shouldn't ever need an update.

To Roman501st: Sorry, but I don't have Attila (and don't plan on getting it until there's at least 75% off)...

To nordedvard: Sorry, but I have no idea how to create battle map features. Good luck finding a modder that can though!

Can you make a version of this for Attila?

Hi ! IS there anyone who is willing to try this and create this. A truly realistic Garrison. A Roman garrison. With moats runt, a good defenses. A new camp garrison. That they can stand on their records in a defense. Yes such a fortress with watchtowers along the long border fences. and where they can splice out-duty arrows against the enemy. romeske soldiers could attack from. Now could the enemies only come if they dare!
Greeting Edward.

Update pls

The picture looks crazy lol .

As I've said before, I'm pretty sure it doesn't...

needs an update to latest patch please.

Yes, and it works in custom battles (so you can check). I think it only changes stuff on the battlefield, so any savegame shouldn't affect it...

is it save game compatiable

ok thx :)

It works perfectly for me (and I've 'updated' it for you - though nothing has changed). If yours isn't working it must be a clash.

Okay, I'll have a look as soon as I have the time...

no it does not work :(

But does it work? Have you checked the 'use out of date mods' box?

mod outdated :(

Yes, at a realistic rate for one archer per 'window' (with infinite ammo)...

If i understand, the realistic one shoots quickly and have a better reload time?

Shouldn't do, nothing has changed. Just tick the box...

need update to work in hannibal at the gates, no?

Ok, i will try!