did you try looking a couple comments down

1.4

Some mods suck, though, and need other mods to try to fix them.

I too, don't like when my mods modify the game

For those who need it, I have made an updated fork of this mod: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3164909423

*holds up spork*

I like turtles

Sarg will never not reply on this thread

people who fight Oskarbloat are the kings of the modding community

@Sarg Bjornson, here's a thought: A butcher workbench bill. "Fillet Fish." Converts fish into a generic fish-fillet meat object. You'd lose the type of fish it came from, maybe some material, but you'd be able to collapse it into easier stockpiled objects then.

Bonus: Secondary products could be generated, such as fish scales, fish heads (good food for pets and prisoners, and maybe a fish ingredient), etc.

interesting, thanks for the reply sarg

@Londo: A good reason to use Cherry Picker to reduce the number of fish in VE Fishing would be that all the different fish take a lot of space on stockpiles. They don't, however, cause any relevant tps impact at all, even if there were 500 different types of fish. If you have an "astronomical" impact on tps, your princess is on another castle :)

@Longdong: destructive xpath patching, mostly. Cherry Picker does similar things using C# and is miles more compatible.

how so

Guys just use Cherry Picker. This mod has a LOT of bad coding in it.

1.4 plox
i for one love vanilla expanded fishing but the damage to tps that having 50 kinds of fish instead of just one is astronomical. to one is just kinda the best way of summing up my thoughts on what i read in the last few posts.

i beg of you anon bless us with your coding magix

I read it, but a majority is aimed at mods I didn't have a hand on, or where my contribution was minimal.

In hopes Sarg or someone else reads this, here are my thoughts.

Maybe there'll be a time when I'll happily resubscribe to the VE series if what you've said about them cleaning house is true. The bloat is moreso a modularity thing. Take the newer Faction Expanded Classical mod. It adds many new items that could be useful if you are playing as a roman-greek colony. Meat drying rack, heat stones, a large passive cooler, tents, and even a large pyre beacon thing. All are primitive equivalents to things in the base game like refrigeration, heating and comms console.

Nothing wrong with these things. In fact, they make playing as low-tech fun.

But those things would fit just as well in any other mod. They aren't unique to romans or greeks. If I want to use just one of those things for a more generic tribal setting or whatever else that happens to be low-tech, I have to have all the other roman-greek stuff that mod adds too.

@DJ Salad Bar: Yes, I've wondered (and complained to them) about that myself when they added in that half-assed terraform mechanic into Medieval. Why not make it an addon to the main mod like they did before... or at least make it so using a real terraforming mod disables the half-assed builtin one. It completely screws up balancing. Oskar's answer was that these are complete "Mini-DLCs", take it or leave it, balancing doesn't exist because Rimworld is a singleplayer game (???) and if I want it gone I should patch it out myself. I could do that, I do that for some of their mods, but the Medieval one I just dropped. It wasn't that good and didn't fit the lore anyway.

That being said, they recently cleaned up many of their mods. The gas cruft from VFE Power are gone (split off) and so are most of the tools from Weapons. Still lots to trim, but it seems they are finally waking up to the bloat as it starts to get into their way when working on new mods.

Most of them are very good. It's a couple of the factions expanded that are really overbloated. Energy module of furniture too. Mechanoids is unusable because of all the new energy, automation, and dropships stuff. The warcaskets from pirates are a little much. But stuff like the wine system in medieval are light enough I don't mind it. It should be its own mod though. It's weird. They need to just take huge ideas and make them separate mods rather than stuff them in with what should be simple like a new faction.I took all of the factions mods and cut out most of the bloat. They aren't clean enough to post though.

The only vanilla thing about Vanilla Expanded is the art style and even it is beginning to diverge. Vanilla Expanded mods aren't bad but I think "Settlers" was the last trully vanilla-friendly mod in the series, everything past this is so overbloated.

Yes, bloat expanded isn't vanilla, at all. This brings it more in line with vanilla's balance and design, but it's still obviously, definitionally, not vanilla.

also very gatekeep-y lol but whatever

"Because I am a vanilla player, even if some others may claim to be too without really meaning it."
Nigga straight up murdered Oskar.

best mod ever

I'm subscribed to this thread, as I have received some useful feedback from it

Holy crap Sarg kept going for 3 weeks.

Jesus Christ, what a disaster of a thread. Get a hold of yourselves, you're all acting whack in one way or another. Quit antagonizing each other, buncha children.

I will, thank you!! <3

@MAN: Not at all, this is in fact one of the best modding communities there is.

Honestly it's so fucking weird how rabid both rimworld players and modders are, but I guess that's what you get from a game where the stereotype is a slave organ trading mastermind or whatever

I was thinking about doing a mod similar to this one. But after seeing how much this community modders and users are entitled... I will hold on to my breath and await for someone else to take this bullet to the head.

@Sarg Bjornson Nah, not a language barrier, some people are just worthless. Ignore them and keep up for the good fight!!! :)

Anon I am on my hands and knees BEGGING you to come back.

Oh, that might be just a language barrier... I mean "take care" as "you guys have a nice day", not as in "to hell with you all!" XD

you've said "take care" twice as if you were about to go yet you're still here

@Dizzy Ioeuy: I never said goodbye, as I'm not leaving... What I said was I was going to keep away from modding till I feel like it.

Dizzy Ioeuy Just now
@Sarg Come back and say good bye again! LOL what is this ten times good bye between here and reddit?

@everyone else
This mod is easy to check for compatibility, folks. Just load it after the VE mods and look at the red errors, if any. Go into the XML and adjust the name/locations. I used this mod as the base for my own personal "cleaner" version of the VE mods I use.

Speaking of 1.4 i don't know if Anon will be coming back any time soon given this hasn't been updated in 10 months. Someone should make a continuation if they want it

Sarg is the one who started this current "hating" discussion when he made a snarky response to someone asking for a 1.4 update out of the blue. Don't go blaming us.

@Sard Bjorson - ok, my bad. Just want you to know I really appreciate your work! Big part of why this game has sucked up so many hours of my life.

I already said I was acting in a toxic way. Take care

Why all the anger here?

Love Vanilla Expanded for adding depth and richness to the game, but (like the mod author) I don't love everything it does - in particular some additions feel like they trivialize certain mechanics (i.e. letting you cheaply build things that are better than rare quest rewards) or add too much clutter (like throwing rocks, or multiple types of armor that are all basically the same). I really appreciate the VE team for their amazing work, and I appreciate this mod for making it a bit closer to my personal tastes.

@Sarg Bjornson, I don't think saying "I like your mod but I tweaked it slightly to suit my tastes" is the insult you're taking it as. If VE wasn't great, nobody would make submods like this one to (from their perspective) make it even better.

Lets be real, if vanilla expanded didn't have some redeemable qualities this mod wouldn't exist, people just wouldn't use them. So why are you guys just hating in the comments section of this mod? Its been like 3 of you so far... Can you guys just internalize the constructive criticism and move on and turn off the notifications on this thread? Its kinda embarrassing. I'm just here waiting for the 1.4 patch thanks

@John Longdong: Code wasn't used yet, as far as I know

so which VE mod was the one using stolen code?

We did it, Reddit!

@Dizzy Ioeuy: You know what, you are right. This is a 100% dumb, meaningless videogame and it is not worth my mental health. Take care everyone

Six days later Sarge posts to reddit: "All RW does this last month is make me ANGRY! I gonna quit for awhile." LOL. After he insulted some guy who reported that VE crew stole his code.

Keep raging Sarge, keep raging...

@Lobsterperson
"make a personal mod that only includes the stuff i wanted"
That is LITERALLY what this mod is lmao, what exactly are you complaining about?