Hi bro, i have some feedback, i have been researching Europe before and in the year 1066 and came to this conclusion: https://www.deviantart.com/dmnptrs/art/Europe-at-1066-historically-accurate-1206545842 I also have different images which shows the counties and duchies.

Save games compatible?

I just discovered that the mod ''imperial immediacy'' is not compatible, for some reason it says many of the bishoprics are not really ranks so you can't give them this grant in their contract.

Compatible with MPE and RICE?

Noice

@Damianuus Yeah, hadn't gotten around to it yet.
Made a quick hotfix, now the Kingdom of Bohemia requires you to hold a hook on the Emperor.

The duke of Bohemia can still create the kingdom of Bohemia..

It shows Trier since 772-1803. However that is weird since he was definetely part of this duchy since it's formation. Either the dates are incorrect or it was a very complex thing where they could be part of a duchy and have imperial immediacy at the same time.

This wikipedia page shows the dates when prince bishropics received and held imperial immediacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince-bishop .

@Alma_Negra It's currently not compatible -- the de jure kingdoms would be completely messed up -- but I'll be making a compatch once I get the time.

Any way this is compatible with Kingdoms of the HRE mod?
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3380893224

I think both decisions is good, especially if i can combine you're mod with the imperial immediacy mod, you should check that one out, it could be very fitting with you're mod. This might be off topic but i used to play with a mod called historical empires which removes like inhistorical empires like Francia, Scandinavia, Spain, Brittania etc, but that mod has been taken down for some reason, there is still an earlier version alike mod but i forgot the name. However since that one probably won't mix with this one since it creates titles, there is an alternative option which is to simply put restrictions on an empire title creation, i searched for alternative mods but they are all outdated. It is somehow slightly connected with this topic except than you will keep kingdoms accurate. Is that something you would want to make too?

@Epikindynos Gkikas Thank you for the kind words. I certainly intend to overhaul other areas as well but can't make any promises for specific regions.

I've been made aware of the mod quite recently. I'll think about making a compatch whenever I get the time.
@Damianuus
Right, but it says 'by the time...' so it could've happened anytime before the 15th century. Trier specifically became an electorate in 1189 for example.
Prince-bishops enjoying imperial immediacy I got from here: https://hls-dhs-dss.ch/de/articles/009832/2012-06-25/
And if I remember my lectures correctly, prince-bishops were initially set up specifically to curtail the power of the secular dukes.

Firstly, I love the concept of this mod and have been looking for something similar for years. Would you consider expanding its scope to other places in the map where similar inaccuracies may exist, such as the crusader states in 1178 and Sicily in 1066, or Scandinavia?

Also, have you seen the mod "Kingdoms of the HRE"? it would work pretty well together in theory with this mod, but since it changes titles in the HRE it currently creates really weird de jure borders

No, this is what wikipedia says: Lower Lorraine disintegrated into several smaller territories and only the title of a "Duke of Lothier" remained, held by Brabant. By the time Upper Lorraine came into the possession of René of Anjou (ca 15th century) several territories had already split off, such as the County of Luxembourg, the Electorate of Trier, the County of Bar and the "Three Bishoprics" of Verdun, Metz and Toul. So untill the 15th century these territories were still part of upper Lorraine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_of_Lorraine . As far as i know, even the prince elector of Cologne was under the duke of lower Lorraine, i assume this from the mod: ''Electors of Holy Roman Empire'' but also images of wikipedia showing lower Lorraine with Cologne around 1000AD.

@Damianuus
Was the bishop of Trier not a prince-bishop at this time, and did prince-bishops not enjoy imperial immediacy?

About the bishop of Trier, i think you misunderstood me, i was saying that you did it correct by making him subject to the duke of upper Lorraine.. Because if i understand correctly you put a restriction on the emperor gives away vassals which he usually does by giving this dude to Upper Lorraine. Trier was actually part of this duchy because originally the duchy was called the duchy of the Moselle by Bruno the great, because the Moselle river both started and ended in the duchy. And lower Lorraine just held the title of Lotharingia. Upper and lower are actually modern historic terms.

I just checked it in game, interesting.

@Damianuus I'll look into increasing the requirements for creating Bohemia while under the HRE

In the pictures, the image labeled as showing Stem Duchies shows the de jure kingdom-tier titles (k_), these don't exist at game start. They are also impossible to create while a vassal of the HRE. These are the 'vanity titles' I referred to earlier. The smaller de jure duchy screen shows duchy-tiered titles (d_), some of these are titled as 'counties' and others as 'duchies', Flanders is for example a county, Upper Lorraine is a duchy. It's on this tier that the 'stem duchies' which are actually held by characters exist. Some of these are titular (so they have no de jure) to represent them being able to fully disintegrate, but I've added various decisions to restore or unite them.

But historically it was only in the 13th century with emperor Frederick B. that Bohemia became a kingdom. I prefer that one to be a duchy too because firstly they become very powerful as a kingdom, even stronger than the emperor, and second the Bohemian king wants to create holy orders all the time. Which is prefer not. I am quite confused with you're pictures because i see 2 different pictures of duchies in the HRE, does that mean that dukes rule over other dukes?

@Damianuus
I doubt the mod you mentioned would be compatible with this one since it adds new kingdoms. If your only intention in having it is to not have kingdoms form within the HRE (ever), then my mod already does that; Bohemia being the exception of course.

As for Trier, you're right, it was an oversight to have them under L. Lotharingia. I'll make them have imperial immediacy.
The devs deciding to have events happen ahead of time isn't even their worst offense. With Franconia they didn't even try to make it somewhat accurate, hence the female prince-bishop of Frankfurt in vanilla...

I mean the kingdom of Lotharingia was non historic after 1066*

I added a mod, even less kingdoms for the HRE, which requires vassals permission of the emperor to create a kingdom and i always turn the acceptance chance to very low chance, because i prefer duchies. I just fear that this mod interfere's with that one. Lotharingia for example was also non historic after 1088. I liked that you solved the issue i immidiately had with this, that is that historical counties in ck3 are portrayed as independant like the bishropic of Trier, which the emperor usually gifts to the duke of Upper Lorraine. But you already added it to the domain of upper Lorraine. And you fixed the creation of the duchy of Luxembourg, which happend only later. The game devs decided to already have events that would happen in the future earlier. Another example is the pope being independant of the HRE at 1066, something that happend only later, but it was Henry IV that would really mess things up in regards to the empire's relations with the papacy.

@Damianuus
Do you mean the 'de jure' capitals for the kingdom-tier stem duchies? I must admit I didn't put in too much thought for them and almost gave them no de jure capitals at all. The titles themselves are moreso supposed to represent the 'natural' borders of the Stem Duchies rather than any political reality, hence their creation being unavailable for vassals of the HRE. I thought having within the HRE such big kingdom titles that would never disintegrate would be quite unbalanced. I suppose you could say that they're for the most part 'vanity titles'.

Metz was a chosen as a capital for being the capital of the Kingdom of Lotharingia and Aachen for its historical significance, but I understand the objection on both counts and will update it.
The actual duchy-tier lower and upper lotharingia have more accurate capitals I hope, those being Bouillon and Nancy respectively.

Oh my fault, i looked at the image and confused Bouillon with Luxembourg. The in-game capitals are very weird tho, both lower and upper Lorraine have the wrong capitals.

@Damianuus My mod doesn't change that, Godfrey still owns Bouillon. Could it perhaps be another mod interfering?

I'm pretty sure Bouillon belongs to lower Lorraine in 1066. It was duke Godfrey the III's capital.

@Conifer Thank you for the clarification. This mod looks really exciting, thus my initial disappointment. I'll give a try on my next campaign then.

@牛奶大魔王 Certainly! Thank you very much.

@Fred The next region I will tackle will most likely be Italy. As for Eastern Europe and the Balkans, I must admit that I'm not as familiar with the history of those regions. I might do them eventually but I can't promise anything.
Regardless, any updates to this mod other than fixing incompatibilities will probably have to wait until July due to exams.

What are your future plans? Any hope for eastern europe changes/balkans?

Greeting! The English loc had change so Chinese translation had some mistake that I remake a new translation
would u make a line in description?

here's my Chinese translation:
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3403925213

@Mikos Well, the mod's primary purpose is changing the de jure titles so that internal borders don't immediately turn into ahistoric blobs. On this front, all the changes made to 1066 also apply to 867. The only thing I meant by 'not doing 867' is that I'm not making any changes as to who owns what within the Carolingian realms (the historical setup).

This isn't a hard line in the sand however. If you have any specific complaints about the vanilla vassal setup, feel free to voice them.

A shame you're not doing 867. Probably best to indicate that at the top instead of a purpose statement that apparently only applies to part of the game. :-/

You're doing something really amazing

@hamletsdead Since that mod adds more counties, it's most likely not compatible right out of the box.
Also, wow, can't believe this is the first time I'm hearing of it.

Mikey likey! Anyone try this with More Provinces Expanded?

Very good mod

@Harfagri Thank you! I certainly intend to.

Hi, appreciate your hard work! Are you planning on reworking HRE duchies and counties? I kinda enjoy seeing HRE with more count vassals but the emperor loves giving big duchies, which, in my opinion, doesn't really reflect fragmented nature of HRE in the late middle ages.