Hearts of Iron IV

Hearts of Iron IV

Blackice HOI IV TEST
mk11 14 Sep, 2023 @ 1:43am
Is the USSR 2nd 5yr Plan too easy now?
The extra factory types mean a lot of states already meet their factory counts.

The increased trade means you get a lot more civ factories on construction. You need to build more civs and can do this in the high-infrastructure places around Moscow.

The only tricky parts are building enough factories at Saratov (you can build mils and if you don't get any bonuses from decisions some engine factories) and meeting the coal requirement. The coal requirement is met with Excavation 1, the advisor that gives +6% resource extraction and either building infrastructure at Magnitosk and Krasnadyosk (?) or less of that and some law changes such as Foreign Investors Regulated. The only tricky part is making sure you do the infrastructure early enough. I completed it 18th Nov 1937.

One thing could be to up the factory demands in the places now auto-filled so have to build civs more spread out.
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mk11 19 Sep, 2023 @ 12:06am 
And with the next version the coal requirement is too hard?

I did it with
- Excavation 1 (+7%)
- Mikoyan (+6%)
- Kagonovich (+10%)
- Foreign Investors Regulated (+3%)

and some infrastructure building
Michaelus 20 Sep, 2023 @ 11:47pm 
how do you get enough Civ total? I can't build enough of them before time runs out even building just civs and just in states with highest infra
mk11 21 Sep, 2023 @ 1:53am 
Total civs haven't been a problem for me.

You need to maximise your bonuses:
- Reform the Politburo first then get the Captain of Industry
- Keep stability high but avoid too many uses of decisions that increase consumer goods, do Focus on Peoples Problems as much as possible
- Research the construction techs ASAP, don't forget plastics gives +2%, housing I comes in late so gives only a minor boost but is worth it for the manpower later anyway
- It is a lot easier if you go the collectivisation route to get the bonus to construction
- Use the Foreign construction decisions
- Take all the focuses that give civ factories
- Run your steel and aluminium mills as much as you can with available energy (you may be able to sell the excess)
- Don't do anything that compromises your exports (you get a lot of extra factories that way)
- I had just the one factory for rubber imports and did nothing with the intelligence agency
- Only convert 2 or 3 tractor plants, each eats one civ factory

One key thing is, about March 1937, work out exactly what you need to complete the plan and add it all to construction. Put anything with multiple builds at the top of the queue. About August start keeping a close watch on the construction tab and start juggling things to make sure everything finishes about the same time before the end of the plan.

You can build 2 or 3 power stations. Or you can just set energy priority low for dockyards and military and high for civilians and take the penalty on military production.
Originally posted by Michaelus:
how do you get enough Civ total? I can't build enough of them before time runs out even building just civs and just in states with highest infra
Depends on what difficulty you play, but i go for reserve army, high civilian fuel and the lowest draft i can. Later i go for Foreign investors regulated, and Extreme taxes and partial mobilisation.
Then research construction 1 immedietly.
After that, build ONLY civs. Nothing but civs. Do not trade with anyone. Do not use decisions that increases your consumer goods or uses civilian factories. Do not improve your spy agency.

I also focus purely on the 2nd five year plan focuses. Massive research investment, upgrade the trans siberian railway to go with, then go for the others. If you ignore Pripska and do the focuses in order, you should be able to complete all except one before the plan ends.

I do Gosplan decisions as well. Oh and go for Stalingrad tractor factory for the extra weekly tractor production and improve rail and distribute tractors to peasants as soon as you can.
Last edited by Grand Admiral Thrawn; 25 Sep, 2023 @ 11:04am
mk11 25 Sep, 2023 @ 1:31pm 
Not sure Stalingrad Tractor Factory is the best use of 150 PP. Between keeping stability up and needing to make some changes to meet the coal extraction requirement PP are quite tight.

You won't only be able to build civs. At Saratov there aren't enough slots for civs so, unless you get lucky with the decisions, you will need to build some more there. Mil factories are probably best but some other options are cheaper if you are tight.

Improve rail doesn't seem worth it, but I do use tractors to consolidate land for a 2.5% stability gain and some more food each time.

Doing the naval focuses looks fun but at 99 days there are more useful things and you don't even need the Leningrad factory now.
Michaelus 26 Sep, 2023 @ 4:00am 
even if you don't go for fair preparation you still miss 2, unless you choose a long one, but imho it's best to skip 2 shorter ones
mk11 26 Sep, 2023 @ 5:43am 
Originally posted by Michaelus:
even if you don't go for fair preparation you still miss 2, unless you choose a long one, but imho it's best to skip 2 shorter ones

What do you mean "fair preparation"? Miss 2 what and what do you mean by long or shorter?
Last edited by mk11; 26 Sep, 2023 @ 9:04am
Michaelus 26 Sep, 2023 @ 9:26am 
mental shortcuts
- there are fair events (Paris and another) which give some boni when prepped for, which takes from the "plan" tree if you opt for it
- short/long is the time of foci, some are longer - 50+ days, some shorter 20 or so, but there's not enough time before plan ends to fit them all
mk11 26 Sep, 2023 @ 1:39pm 
The world fair events don't really seem to be much use. I find it best to write down all the focuses I might like to do and then remove those I can't fit in the available time. I do the same before Barbarossa starts as there isn't enough time to do everything and I want to be able to do Stalin's speech and Industry evacuation ASAP.
What difficulty you play on?

I completed the plan on normal with more than a month to spare. I’m now trying on Veteran but it seems impossible despite someone claiming they’ve done it on BICE difficulty…

In laws i go for:
Reserve army
One year draft
Extra civilian fuel
Captain of the industry
Low taxes
Foreign investors regulated
And the focus “worker’s culture”
I could go for civilian economy but i feel that’s not worth it due to time and increased consumer goods and reduced fuel storage

But i still can’t get enough factories in all the states and 299 civs.
I did a run where i converted mils to civs for a year and got up to 310 civs but nowhere near enough factories in the specific states. Maybe i did it too much i don’t know. I also build artillery factories (cheapest factory) paralell to civs in some places like Saratov or Moscow.


On veteran you need a minimum of 5 tractor factories to get to 25000 tractors produced on time.

You also need a minimum of 10 fuel silos without fuel refining II tech.

You get 3 from gosplan and 2 from focuses and if you rush fuel storage II you can get away with building just 4. However if you go and complete partial mobilisation with fuel refining II, then only 2 is needed. But for that you need a lot of tractors ASAP and lose on more civs.

Resources are easy. Just replace captain of industry with the guy that gives you mineral gain bonus and research excavation I at the very end of the plan. Maybe also go free trade if needed.

Steel mills are also easy just do gosplan heavy industry.
Last edited by Grand Admiral Thrawn; 6 Nov, 2023 @ 11:11am
mk11 6 Nov, 2023 @ 2:09pm 
Is that with the latest update, the one that doubled most factories? I haven't looked at how that works except for noting that Coal and Iron requirements were met from the start.
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