Originally posted by Uranium235:

I did trade with my F2P friend (that I now gifted the UPG) before and shortly after the upgrade as well as with a F2P Alt of mine in the past and just tried again:

It works like I said.

Alright it seems you've been missing something I mentioned a couple of times before. This restriction only seems to affect accounts created after the Community Market was introduced. If you've created your account before that, you're free to trade.

Originally posted by Uranium235:

They are allowed to trade, but they cannot send friend invites, cannot initiate chats, cannot send trade requests and most of their items are not tradable. They can however trade items they have received from premium accounts and some dropped Tools like Name and Description Tags (and supposedly also some Miscs and Hats?).

They do not have to wait another 15 days after upgrading to premium. The only thing that counts, is for how long you have had Steam Guard enabled continuously, regardless of everything else.

That in fact is false. It's how it used to work before the 15 days Steam Guard restriction, but that's not how it works now. If you don't believe me try it yourself, create a new account, leave Steam Guard on for 15 days and see if you can trade. You'll be greated with "You need have Steam Guard enabled for at least 15 days in order to participate in a trade" and it doesn't matter if it's the 15th day or 30th day. You need to have "premium" Steam.

Originally posted by Uranium235:

Yes, you need to trade them like any other item. The premium account has to send the trade request (and send the friend invite or be on the same server). But the wiki says that whoever gifted them the UPG should get the Speks. Steam of course knows who gave / traded them the Gift they used.

I am and was on his friends list when we traded and he used the Gift shortly after. But neither did he get a popup asking who helped him nor did I get my Speks (yet).

The wiki is edited by the community, it might not provide fully accurate information. The author must have assumed you'd be granted the spec's automatically which is certainly not the case. What's weird is that somebody mentioned that they didn't receive the popup when they upgraded to premium, which sounds like a bug to me.

Originally posted by blue:

Ok lets clear this up. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PREMIUM STEAM. Never has there nor I doubt there ever will be. OP has no idea what they are doing when on a computer (Probably from the ponies). And everything op says doesnt make sense & its confusing the hell out of you guys. OP, L2 Internet, L2 Google, problem solved, now every one go home.

You sir should stop talking if you have no idea what you're talking about. Everything OP said is clear, you have no reason to attack him.

Originally posted by Uranium235:

The 15 days trade restriction because of Steam Guard applies to everyone, regardless of premium, F2P, what game (TF2 DOTA 2) or when you added a game to your inventory.

That restriction does apply to everyone, however new non-premium (Steam) accounts aren't allowed to trade regardless if they've had Steam Guard on for 15 days or not. They need to become premium AND wait another 15 days. This doesn't apply to OP because his account was created a while ago.

Originally posted by Uranium235:

The thing is, that Steam says: "once you have games in your Steam account" (that are not F2P), not: once you made a purchase.
The only thing you get restricted in if you haven't made a purchase within a year that I have heard of until now, was selling at the Community Market.

Yep that's why a Dota 2 invite or any cheap indie game key will do the trick.

Originally posted by Uranium235:

Since you can get an unlimited Steam account by redeeming "a Gift or Guest Pass on Steam" or activating "a retail game on Steam", that do not require you to make a purchase with Steam too, I see no reason why using an Upgrade to Premium Gift should not work the same way.

If it does not, and I don't really know if it should, I think that would not make sense and be just wrong. [/quote]
I assumed that as well but as you can see it's not the case.

Originally posted by Uranium235:

I recently gave an Upgrade To Premium Gift to a friend. Contrary to the wiki I have not received my Professor Speks yet, which I assumed would happen right away. So I think there is a chance this is just a glitch or simply needs some time.
Getting the hiring badge takes at least a week too, for some odd reason.

But I don't know either.

I don't know how Upgrade to Premium works, but normally when you upgrade to premium you're supposed to receive a popup asking if you were referred by someone and that someone will receive the specs.

EDIT: Also I think you cannot "send" an Upgrade to Premium gift to someone, it needs to be traded. So the game won't know who to credit for that.

Originally posted by ScootALU_:

Anywho, activating Dota 2 does seem like a likely hood, but I have my suspicions. Why would steam allow a 5 dollar value (premium steam) to be spread around so cheaply? I'll trade for one today since I won't be losing much, so we'll see.

That's how the system works, also it's their fault they received so many useless invites on the market. You don't have to spend 5 dollars to get premium on Steam though, anything you activate works, even if it was free.

Originally posted by Uranium235:

I too find it hard to believe the premium gift would not give you full community access. That you haven't used a credit card should only prevent you from selling in the Community Market.

Well lately, you need to activate/purchase a gift and then wait 15 days to even be able to trade. He's lucky his account is old and doesn't have restrictions like that.

Either way, since TF2 is F2P and when you activate a premium gift all you get is a "DLC" for it I think Steam doesn't count that as a purchase. Adding wallet to your account counts as a store transaction, even if you don't buy anything for 30 days, you'll be allowed to use the Community Market so I assume you automatically get Steam premium features as well. Dota 2 on the other hand is not F2P yet and you need a subscription for it in order to play.

I'm pretty sure he does accept friend requests. Otherwise the donation page wouldn't suggest you to add him in case a payment goes wrong.

EDIT: Leaving a comment on his profile page might help.

Also Sneeza and the admins hold livestreams regularly where they hold raffles and stuff, you might wanna contact him and talk to him about it.

I think your best bet is http://tf2r.com

PS) That's a damn nice hat you got there.

Originally posted by MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:

No, I have some accounts with nothing more than premium tf2, they can add people just fine!

That's probably because you purchased premium and Steam counted that as a store transaction. OP specified he got premium by trading which is different.

Either way yes a Dota 2 gift does give you full access to the Steam features.

Originally posted by F | CHARLIE:

Exactly. New crates with previosly nonexistant items should yield better for a little while. Crate 55 held an ev of 3.66 ref up until the new year. Which at the time was above the key.

Like I said, that profit window is usually very small, a couple days at most. You cannot expect it to last, otherwise everybody would be uncrating and if everyone is uncrating there will be no demand for the items inside.

Originally posted by F | CHARLIE:

If you can't make your key back its a flop. We were less than 4 days into the crate release and the main items in them all grossed below a key. I like each of these items but none will get you the key back right now.

If you expect crates labeled with *insert key here & get profit* keep on dreaming.

Originally posted by F | CHARLIE:

You can get an usual from any crate. Crate 19, 1, 21, 14, 13, 28 ,31, 4, 2, 3, 9 and about 14 other crates are trading at higher price than 56 & 57. All of those are more worth while opening and will still yield contemporary unusuals.

Those crates don't drop anymore and they contain popular items that are traded for higher prices.