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21 Sep, 2023 @ 3:31pm
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Description
NORTHAG campaigns still need work but I'm slowly grinding through them

Greetings!
Welcome to the Stupidly Unrealistic Realism Mod.

There are a lot of realism mods for WARNO but they all use words like "reasonable", "fun", "balanced", or "playable" to describe themselves. That's far too practical.

Here we make no such concessions. Want to have your heavy tanks sniped from 8km away by an AH-64 on the other side of a mountain using LOAL? How about positioning your troops for a perfect all around defense of a critical town only to have the entire place leveled by a battery of BM-30s firing from 50km off the map? Perhaps you'd like to watch helplessly as a T-80UD shrugs off a couple dozen LAWs before wiping out your entire platoon. You're in the right place.

This is a mod for people who laugh at the concept of balance. After all it's not all that "realistic" for East German reservists to hold off the US 3rd Armored, so get ready for extremely unequal levels of challenge.

If all that weren't enough. This will chug on all but the most powerful rigs (maybe those too, but I don't own one) so it kinda takes the "real time" out of real time strategy.

Yes this truly is a stupid mod, but what about the unrealistic part?

Basically everything here is based off wargaming websites, poorly sourced forum posts, YouTube videos and other similar sources of solid gold academic research material. Then of course, there are all the engine limitations, especially in spotting that really render the entire exercise silly. I promise there are serious accuracy issues and biases here. You will be mad. All that said, if you see something that's wrong (and care) you can post it with a source and I'll look into it.

"Realistic" Mechanics
SURM undoes the range compression of the vanilla game and applies "realistic" ranges, aim times, and speeds. The damage model is completely reworked, with penetration mechanics and critical effects like subsystem damage and crew casualties. When penetrated, most armored vehicles will either be bailed out, or suffer catastrophic ammo explosions (autoloading Soviet tanks are more likely to explode, newer NATO tanks with separate ammo storage are more likely to be bailed out). A bailed out tank is recoverable after battle which can be important for AG campaigns. Larger explosive weapons now feature both wide area fragmentation that damages light vehicles and infantry, and more extreme damage from direct hits or close misses that can blow apart even heavy tanks.

Most damage to vehicles is not repairable, the only repairs that occur are fixes by crew to things like computers and tracks. Infantry casualties cannot be replaced. Damaged or understrength units can be sold.

Spotting has also been overhauled. Fires from napalm, burning vegetation, and destroyed vehicles block LoS, as does dust from explosions. Stationary units are harder to see, but easier to hit. Infantry will dig small scratch shelters and get a defensive and stealth bonus after several minutes in one place.

Suppression mechanics have also been changed with suppressed infantry being harder to see. They will eventually get pinned down before routing in terror.

"Realistic" Formation Structures
Battlegroups are intended to be roughly battalion-sized, made up of companies of units. For infantry, there will be fighting sections, platoon HQs (for some nations these are mixed into a section, for others the HQ is a separate team), and company HQs, Soviet companies also have weapons sections (Pulemetchiki) with Metis and PKM. Tank units are simpler, with the tanks for the company, and company HQs of one or two tanks. Platoon HQs can capture zones, while company HQs can capture zones and give units in their radius +1XP level.

Mortar batteries are organic, some formations have limited amounts of howitzers available for attachment. AA, anti-tank units, attack helicopters, and aircraft can all be attached.

Command units under the logitic tab function as battalion commanders. These cause all company HQ units to provide +2XP levels instead of +1XP level.

"Realistic" Fire Support
Artillery is called in through forward observers, "standard" observers (or observer vehicles) are avilable in the artillery tab. These have commom support for a given formation, typically 155/152mm howitzers, and BM-21s for Pact forces. A single special observer is available in the logistic tab. These have access to more powerful strikes (8" howitzers, M270, BM-27, BM-30, LARS, etc). Observers can use radios so if one observer is in range of a target, all observers can direct accurate fire onto it.

Air strikes are significantly more powerful, but also rare. Aircraft turnaround times are long and damage cannot be repaired, so typically you will only get a single strike. Beware that large aerial bombs send fragmentation over a very large area and should not be dropped close to friendly infantry.

Lots More
Including:
  • Radar jamming
  • New Belgian division
  • Buccaneer bombers
  • Under-barrel and rifle grenade launchers
  • HE rounds for some infantry AT launchers (RPG-7, LRAC, Carl Gustaf, etc).
  • New supply system
  • Slower loading and unloading of units
If this somehow convinced you to play this, a more detailed (but still high level) change list is on the discussion page.

Potentially Useful Stuff
penetration calculator:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GifiEq8iow0JTDMBsA6UGYvjMjnRHb_oBHCsF9bT_Cg/edit?gid=723810577#gid=723810577
code (Dec 27, 2024):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BTLDi1juWn0WOp0ulMU5IQQ0O7-dDbID/view?usp=sharing
discord (set up by @piratepengu):
https://discord.gg/vHp3bbu7BD
Good maps:
Depth of Field by Kel:
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3355294791
WEST FULDA by Silver:
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3363584349
Somero:
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3390967396
Avdiivka Thunder:
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3461551626
Popular Discussions View All (20)
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25 Apr @ 3:48pm
PINNED: Crash reports
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4 Feb, 2024 @ 11:34pm
Sample Decks - OUTDATED
themediocrity
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11 Jul, 2024 @ 2:16pm
Feedback - suggestions
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themediocrity  [author] 29 Jul @ 6:01am 
@Airux: Thanks! Hmmm...yeah that shouldn't be right. I'll see if that's something I can figure out.
Airux 28 Jul @ 12:11am 
@themediocrity, thank you so much, your mod is amazing and very fun to play. One thing though : I keep witnessing my T80B, side armor 9, getting whacked by the 20mm autocanon of the Luchs-Marder, although the penetration should be 2 only, so bounce bounce and bounce again.
Is that a bug, a feature, or something I don't understand ?
themediocrity  [author] 17 Jul @ 9:24am 
@Nyanko182: Thanks for letting me know! I pushed a quick fix that should work.
Nyanko182 17 Jul @ 7:15am 
Found another little bug in AG Airbourne Assault: FireEffect_RocketInf_Armbrust requested and missing in mimetic world descriptor
American 16 Jul @ 11:25am 
I've been playing your recent update and in terms of AI there is a huge improvement compare to before so whatever you are doing keep doing it although ai still kinda clumps at times but def progress
themediocrity  [author] 16 Jul @ 11:25am 
Little update that should restore compatibility. There are also a bunch of small helicopter updates. See the change notes for more.
themediocrity  [author] 16 Jul @ 10:23am 
I did get a laugh out of that. Fortunately, they didn't change the NDFs so I should be able to just recompile and reupload to get the version number correct, but I'm mid way through some fixes so it'll be a moment before that's ready.
Little Viking 16 Jul @ 10:07am 
Man you have the patience of a saint. You just updated the mod today and Eugen released another patch making the mod (again and again) incompatible.
themediocrity  [author] 16 Jul @ 9:01am 
@Nyanko182 Thanks! I'll see what I can do on the AG issues. I think I know what's causing the income issue, but the crash may be the same one people were having with that campaign before that I haven't yet been able to create on my end (maybe some sort of system-specific problem I've created or something).
Nyanko182 16 Jul @ 8:16am 
Great mod, love the realistic slower paced battles.
However there is a few bugs with the latest version.
The game crashes when starting a new Airbourne Assault AG Campaign on Hard, and at least the left hook campaign has the higher unit prices without the changes to income.

Looking forward to the next update!

Thank you for your work!